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The_White_Light

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Jan. 06 2004, 9:54 pm

While I had heard of the DDS theft in the past, though I just recently been shown how blatant some of it is, and I can't help but feel that the injustice must be stopped.
Someone pointed out a design to me that had quite obviously stolen Mister_Cutie's bare chest design.
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=123221 >
Upon seeing it, I sent an email to him to see if he had even be notified about it. He had not. He also pointed out to me another that had used his design.
< http://www.therestuff.com/mcvscm >
Apparantly he has contacted There, and they have acknowledged his problem, yet done nothing.
I hate to see this kind of stuff going on and I feel There really needs to put their foot down in this situation.
If nothing else, I think other users should be aware that this is going on, and make sure to notify those whose designs appear to have been stolen. There Catalog

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ReMzy

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Jan. 07 2004, 3:53 am

yeah im with u on that ... thats just plain insulting when ur taking time to make ur own design and some @$$holes think they have the right "copy paste" it and no one will ever complain ... the guys and girls doing that totaly can on suck my french canadian ****. :angry:

MuPp3t

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Jan. 07 2004, 9:23 am

Yeah TWL. I pointed this out in another thread. CM says she designed it herself though. I'm pretty sure she said she'd contacted MC and he was fine with it?

MuPp3t

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Jan. 07 2004, 9:26 am

Here we go. < Link to Thread >

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Dang! Why do people keep saying that? Yes i will admit it does look similar to his but it IS NOT his nude chest. I happen to have a drawing tablet and A LOT of patience. I also have about 5 different nude chests that I drew for that outfit and that one happened to look the best for that outfit.

I have already spoken with Mr. Cutie about this and assured him that it isn't his design reused.

Regards,
Cams :iconlol:

digital_signal_X

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Jan. 07 2004, 10:09 am

I got a good laugh out of this

Not sure if it qualifies as "theft" honestly, more of.. waste of submission cost.

< http://www.outsidethere.com/DSX/guardian-vs-angel.jpg >
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Ara

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Jan. 07 2004, 11:32 am

There is somethign with cameron_marie and miuster cutie...

shes been desiging for over 10 months.

and mister 'wink sells his. MUAHAHAHA!

Ara

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Ava

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Jan. 07 2004, 12:40 pm

I'm going to play devil's advocate, here. Please understand, I side with the designers. I would be mighty cheesed if someone used my design for his or her profit.

Here goes:

Are the designs copyrighted? Are there any rules in There's terms-of-service stating that a designer can't take the idea from another designer? What "gentlemen's agreement" has been put in place among designers to prevent theft?

Perhaps designers should start charging other designers to use their product. Say, a percentage of sales? It would be interesting to find out if a precedence has been set for something of this nature in another "game".

'hmm

Oh, and ReMzy? Is that an invitation? ("suck my french canadian ****.") If it is, SIGN ME UP, BABY!

ROFL! "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."

Marcy_D

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Jan. 07 2004, 12:51 pm

Hmmm Ava...I think there is some previous examples of this... Marcy_D

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The_White_Light

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Jan. 07 2004, 1:46 pm

Quote (Ava @ Jan. 07 2004, 10:40 am)

Are the designs copyrighted? Are there any rules in There's terms-of-service stating that a designer can't take the idea from another designer? What "gentlemen's agreement" has been put in place among designers to prevent theft?

There does state that the work you submit must be your own, or if you are in some way using someone elses, you must have their permission. When I submitted my Crusader buggy, I had to get permission from a church to use a picture of a stained glass window that I used as my windshield. There Catalog

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Davidson

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Jan. 07 2004, 3:35 pm

i all know what you mean. i would appreciate it if these designers that have stolen your work would at least contact you first and ask permission. i mean to take all that time you put into your designs (and beleive me i have spent lots of time getting my designers to perfections as well as everyone else i am sure) and just have the design taken and "revamped" so to speak. if someone would at least take a few minutes to type up a nice email asking for permission to use the owners design. i know if this ever happened to me i would be mad. but if the owner of the new design using my design had emailed me first and i had agreed then i would be happy to negotiate with them but to just go and do it without permission

The_White_Light

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Jan. 07 2004, 4:21 pm

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While I respect Cameron for all her work on the ThereSome Magazine, that statement is a clearly not true. As Mister_Cutie pointed out here < http://www.therestuff.com/mcvscm > , that clearly is his bare chest, exactly. You can't even question it.

Both of them claim that there was no deal made, so I can only make my assumptions from there.

Also, DSX, that is pretty funny. I guess that wouldn't be theft of material as much as theft of idea, but in any case, the original is far far superior, as I'm sure you know. There Catalog

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Hayden

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Jan. 07 2004, 5:20 pm

I own alot of MC's stuff and aside from that shirt being bare chested it really doesn't resemble MC's shirt at all

The_White_Light

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Jan. 07 2004, 8:53 pm

Which one are you talking about? If you mean the kissing booth one, well, it is his. It may be a different concept, but it is using his bare chest. If you mean the other, well, once again this link speaks for itself. http://www.therestuff.com/mcvscm There Catalog

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Twist

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Jan. 07 2004, 9:18 pm

Canada Buggy was ripped off!!!

Ok,...well I get that the OTHER one is better, but I am SO sure that mine came first. Considering that I worked hard on that, I was pretty pissed when I saw that.

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Stud

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Jan. 07 2004, 9:44 pm

Ok, I'm seeing my design posted up here, so I'm gonna be straight forward and damn honest with you. I purchased the design for 500T from a newbie who had made it. He had a tripod website with about 5 different designs that he had "made" and he was selling them all from 500-2k. I did not own a Mister_Cutie shirt at the time, I had nothing to compare it to. All I was looking at was the sign and I was laughing. I submitted the design with the 8k of the 10k I had in hopes to make some cash. I only sold about 3 copies at 1200 and 2 copies at 1k. My largest profit was 400 as you can see. I have lost money from it, and have been told that it looks alot like Mister_Cutie's Chest. After hearing this about 3 times, it had been probably a week since the design was accepted and about 2 weeks since I had submitted the design. I immediately tried to contact the newbie through his website and through There. His trial had ended in There and He was not answering his Email from me. I can't help that it was accepted and you may complain all you want to There about it. Get them to take it off auctions for all I care. But don't talk smack about me because of it. If I could find the newby who sold me the design I would Deal with him. Theft of such designs shouldn't be permitted, but it has to have a pixel for pixel match for There to take it off auctions. To top all of this mumbo jumbo off, I am using Jasc Paint Shop Pro which I am sure cannot edit DDS files as far as I know. So please get the design taken away if you really care that much. After all $500 is a good deal for a good looking design like that. Especially since it has some humor involved.

If you have read all of this, thank you for being pacient and have a nice day. I don't care to talk to you about it, so please talk amongst yourselves, dont talk #### about me though. I don't deserve bad treatment for not being aware of that design theft. Complain to There, not me. It's my problem, not yours. >:():<

Rejeanne

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Jan. 07 2004, 11:56 pm

I don't agree about Cameron_Marie's top. It's similar, but I don't think it's a copy at all.

Issues

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Jan. 08 2004, 2:22 am

Quote (Stud @ Jan. 07 2004, 9:44 pm)

I can't help that it was accepted and you may complain all you want to There about it. Get them to take it off auctions for all I care. But don't talk smack about me because of it. If I could find the newby who sold me the design I would Deal with him. Theft of such designs shouldn't be permitted, but it has to have a pixel for pixel match for There to take it off auctions. To top all of this mumbo jumbo off, I am using Jasc Paint Shop Pro which I am sure cannot edit DDS files as far as I know. So please get the design taken away if you really care that much. After all $500 is a good deal for a good looking design like that. Especially since it has some humor involved.

If you have read all of this, thank you for being pacient and have a nice day. I don't care to talk to you about it, so please talk amongst yourselves, dont talk #### about me though. I don't deserve bad treatment for not being aware of that design theft. Complain to There, not me. It's my problem, not yours. >

):<

You're aware of it now. So what are YOU going to do now that YOU know it was a stolen design?

Are you going to be a theif and keep selling it?

Or are you going to contact Mister_Cutie and try to work something out to make it a legit item in auctions?

Giving him the compensation he deserves would be more ideal than having a "screw you, go cry to There" attitude. Especially since you know it's stolen NOW. That or if he doesn't want compensation, then work with him and don't sell it. Whichever he wants to happen, as it was his design that was stolen.

You are the one who chose to submit it. That is a fault of your own and no one else's. You, like There Submissions, also should have made sure that it was not a stolen design. Seriously, 500-2k T$ for some good designs? You're not that stupid and neither are real newbies who can design. That is waaaay too low to be legit. And honestly that story is a little far fetched, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on it for the sake of arguement.

And yes, it's a well known fact that .8b* plugins work in both Paint Shop Pro and Photoshop.

So what are YOU going to do to make this situation right? Issues are everywhere, and everyone has issues.
There is no escape!

People like you are the reason people like me need medication.

Insanity is an advantage, not a defense.

The_White_Light

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Jan. 08 2004, 3:20 am

Quote (Rejeanne @ Jan. 07 2004, 9:56 pm)

I don't agree about Cameron_Marie's top. It's similar, but I don't think it's a copy at all.

Hmmm, Mister Cutie has apparantly changed the link.

Before, he had a comparison where he put one DDS file on top of the other, showing that they were identicle.

I assume he took it down to prevent further theft, as someone could have used that actual image and not even need to crack the DDS. There Catalog

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Stud

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Jan. 08 2004, 4:11 pm

I didn't mean to sound like an ass, but I don't want to have people knowing so much about this that people dislike me. I'll get it worked out with MC, please don't worry about it.

Jude

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Jan. 09 2004, 1:19 am

Well I agree with the designers - being one myself I know how much time you spend on your 'bodyparts' - In my case it is breasts - And yes, I have seen some that SO resemble ppl that I am friends with, and on one occasion I saw a shirt that looked exactly like mine - But hey, I am not going to post links and stuff, they know who they are and what they did.

A perfect example is one girl actually CAME UP to me and told me they sold breasts from Rick_Slick and was happy about it...guess my point is, we probably will not be able to change this - they will do it anyway. If something does change GREAT, otherwise maybe their conscience will get them in the end. 'When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which as been your delight..'

Issues

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Jan. 09 2004, 4:53 am

Quote (Stud @ Jan. 08 2004, 4:11 pm)

I didn't mean to sound like an ass, but I don't want to have people knowing so much about this that people dislike me. I'll get it worked out with MC, please don't worry about it.

Well I can't speak for anyone else. But honestly, I don't know you enough to like or dislike you. But that is just how I see things.

More over, maybe making a play on the conscience of those who steal. And those who buy stolen deisgns, or part of designs unknowningly. At least trying to put some pressure on the members to straighten up. Obviously as long as There is getting money for submissions they don't give a damn. Unless what was submitted violates a trademark or copyright of a huge corporation, and they get sued.

So as much pressure as designers are putting on there, we should also be doing the same with those who willingly steal or resell stolen designs. Maybe something needs to come from the developer and designer community. Since There is just sitting on their ass and raking in the money from all the submissions, legit and fraudulent.

To the effect of:

Step 1 - Notice a stolen design, contact the original developer/designer and have them look into it.
Step 2 - Contact the suspected thief and compare notes and discuss the problem without getting hostile. Aiming for a resolution, not a flame war.
Step 3 - (Depending on how step 1 and 2 went...) Either work out a resolution together. Find out that it's not theft. And in the cases where it is, contact There and make it as clear as a day in the desert that someone is intentionally selling and/or submitted a stolen design so people won't buy it. That is where posting it would come in. It'd be the last resort, before waiting for There to act on it.

Chances are that some form or preventitive action, and form of theft dispute resolution, will come form the members, before it will come from There.

That's just a thought though.

:beerchug:

Here's to pipe dreaming! :beerchug:

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People like you are the reason people like me need medication.

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Jan. 10 2004, 3:46 am

Quote (Issues @ Jan. 08 2004, 2:22 am)

Seriously, 500-2k T$ for some good designs? You're not that stupid and neither are real newbies who can design. That is waaaay too low to be legit.

majestik was a real newbie who could design. He just is used to making $250+ for his designs, and doesnt like the rates on therebucks. (he does 3d cars).

Owned?

Yeah.

And Stud, well, he's not bright, and he probably thought the newbie really did it, after all, its not a 'great' design, and it wouldn't be impossible to find a naked male design somewhere on the internet. Oh well, thats just my 2 therebucks (34T is 2 cents, and i'm a cheapo)

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mister_cutie

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Jan. 10 2004, 6:52 am

I am not selling my template nor leasing it out. When it is stolen I ask that the design be retired immediately. So Stud, even if you did not intend to submit a stolen design choosing to sell it is not fair to me, as Issues elequently stated. Hopefully this is a peaceful resolution to the problem.

The_White_Light, yes I did change the Cameron_Marie link to prevent further theft of the exact template. How many people do you know that have only have 3 abs, lol. In There, a few designer's shirts seem to have this same look that i created. *cough* If anyone sees some in auction please post the links here.

If the theft is pixel for pixel, does There really do anything about it? The Cameron_Marie issue was "escalated" aprx 4 months ago for a "quick response" . . . . . and still nothing, even after my followup a month ago.

Pixel for pixel theft is easy to avoid if u stretch or manipulate someone's template slightly.

I have a 6 ab improved bare chest shirt now I would like to submit but I am shy about it until There encrypts the dds or gives out some consequence to blatant thieves.

It is so nice to get some support on this issue, ty The_White_Light for starting this thread. Also, ty to all the ppl that give some heat to the people who have stolen from others.

hollow1

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Jan. 10 2004, 9:10 am

I saw the comparison of the two skins (MC's and CM's) and there is no way to think that CM didn't directly steal it. The chance that she drew that on her own pad and it matched up exactly line for line (albiet a diff color) is astronomical.

She should just come clean and admit it.

I don't have anything else against her (don't know her except by her reputation for ThereSome) but this isn't the best first impression.

Akidan

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Jan. 10 2004, 3:02 pm

WTF are you talking about there totally different one has a kissing booth thing on it and other has other stuff on it. and the canada buggy has different stuff too.o he stole the red and white????what else could he have done. What do you know he could have made it first :flipoff:

Operation_Ivy

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Jan. 10 2004, 4:57 pm

I dont think they are saying that the one doesnt have something different on it akidan. What he is saying is that it is the bare chest that he took the time to design with an image over.

Akidan

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Jan. 10 2004, 6:41 pm

ok just like did they just like look at it and try to recreate the chest or actually steal the template. Cuz when u try to make a bare chest its kinda hard not to make them look the same...

mister_cutie

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Jan. 10 2004, 7:24 pm

Akidan, doesn't sound like you are have experience on the bare chest at all. Have a look at the variety in auctions. The original ones are not similar AT ALL. Have a look at The_White_Light's, he made his. Then, compare it to mine and your opinion will be different.

Stud

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Jan. 10 2004, 10:15 pm

I have spoken with mister_Cutie on the matters, we have talked with a helper and the design must go through investigation by There, until it is deleted or removed from my Designer Auction page, but I will nto be selling them any longer. Mister_Cutie and I have almost resolved this completely. Hope you are Happy

mister_cutie

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Jan. 10 2004, 10:37 pm

Yeah Stud ty for working this out.

The_White_Light

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Jan. 11 2004, 3:26 am

Yeah, and for the record, I didn't create this post with hopes of singling anyone out. I, both as a designer and as simply a citizen of There, think this is an important issue. I keep hearing more stories about design theft, and I think it is something There must publically address. As soon as people start seeing consequences for such actions, I feel the problem could be nearly eliminated. There Catalog

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mister_cutie

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Jan. 15 2004, 10:44 pm

There contacted me and agreed that Cameron_Maried copied my work. I am following up to have it completely removed from the game. There has stepped up to the plate to deal with this problem, it is a big relief for me and hopefully for other original content designers also.

Roxxie

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Jan. 18 2004, 3:13 am

I have one thought on the matter, it really stinks when someone obviously took your idea for an outfit you already made, and re makes it, but you can't do anything to them because it's not a copy. There is an outfit which I am 95% sure the designer saw mine and decided to make there own version, this same designer also made a picture just like my friends.....and it just kinda is depressing to know nothing can be done because it wasn't an exact copy, but then again, some people do think alike.....

The_White_Light

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Jan. 18 2004, 4:07 am

Yeah, check out Digital_Signal's post. As he points out however, the copy design is quite bad, especially compared to the original. There Catalog

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Ariadne

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Jan. 18 2004, 8:42 am

I just see no point in anyone recreating someone elses design. Especially if the qualityy is not as good. Surely the point in designing for THERE is to make something unique, in order for it to sell. Making inferior quality copies of other peoples designs seems to me a waste of time and Therebucks. "Cake or Death?" ~ Eddie Izzard

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Jan. 18 2004, 8:46 am

I'm happy to know that There did the right thing mister cutie. This and the people getting there money back after getting scammed in a house sale is making me think that There is at least trying to do the right amount of police work for their game (though I'm sure it's hard to get everything done).

Whimsy

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Jan. 20 2004, 3:18 pm

Speaking of texture theft...

the original top:

< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=148527 >

these two look awfully similar, don't ya think?

< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=149397 >
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=149399 >

The_White_Light

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Jan. 20 2004, 4:33 pm

Quote (Whimsy @ Jan. 20 2004, 1:18 pm)

Speaking of texture theft...

the original top:

< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=148527 >

these two look awfully similar, don't ya think?

< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=149397 >
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=149399 >

Another perfect example. Again, I believe it is extremely important that There do something about this. There Catalog

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Chagall

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Jan. 20 2004, 5:30 pm

Yeah Roxxie, stuff like this:
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=140684 >
Which looks awfully similar to
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=137944 >

This irks me because it was his idea originally and he clearly owns the franchise on this one...

http://www.pinkbunnyslippers.net

SpeedBrkr

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Jan. 20 2004, 11:02 pm

Quote (Chagall @ Jan. 20 2004, 5:30 pm)

This irks me because it was his idea originally and he clearly owns the franchise on this one...

Hehe thanks for watchin' my back Chagall.

I have talked to the designer Sable about this the moment I saw her version in Auctions a month or two ago. Her story is she made it specifically for a friend. So why even bother to put it up in auctions, multiple times might I add. She even said to me "I don't want any bad blood" between us after telling her I would like her not to sell them anymore. But a week later I see it in auctions again. >_<

But frankly...she didn't steal my texture or anything. Just more of a rip off (and she says the sleeves are different, which they are).

So the question is are rip offs acceptable?

I guess I can tolerate them, just feel sorry for the people buying them. =/

Hayden

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Nov. 2003

Jan. 21 2004, 12:21 am

Ok I can see something wrong with someone stealing someones work, but just because a person slapped a state name on a sweater first doesn't mean that someone else can't do the same thing. If that's the case then pull all the bare chest items because someone thought of that first too. Imitations are a part of life. Don't get me wrong, I own one of Spd's sweaters, but we can't allow someone to have a monopoly on 1 item. It's called competition.

SpeedBrkr

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Jan. 21 2004, 1:07 am

Quote (Hayden @ Jan. 21 2004, 12:21 am)

I completely agree Hayden.

I was just kinda annoyed at this one specific incident, as there is a back story to it (according to the designer). She saw my male version of it, and didn't bother to check for my female version. Thus she went and designed a female version which a friend requested. I guess I should be flattered.

Shelby_B made a Kentucky hoodie recently and I had no problems with that. :cool:

Competition, gotta love it. :banana:

But I digress, this should be another topic.

Anyways, the focus of this current thread is the stealing of other people's textures and using it for your own...which is BAD! :angry:

The_White_Light

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Jan. 21 2004, 2:33 am

Certain design concepts probably are less questionable. Where as in the situation Digital Signal X posted, the concept was clearly stolen. On more plain designs, it could be harder to claim this.

I do consider myself to be the real starter of the whole bare chest thing. While I cannot claim to have been the first (that was a 9k chest with tattoos that came out while mine was in submissions) I was the first to do a plain chest and to expand it to multiple skin tones. I was a bit annoyed when I saw other people start to make their own, but it really was an unfounded feeling. I do not consider the concept to be stolen from me, as it was not exactly a difficult one to think of nor is a chest an original design.

In any case, certain design concepts are definitely more easily replicated than others while not really being theft. There Catalog

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tempest

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Jan. 22 2004, 1:27 pm

And I've found even more design theft -
Not only was the original concept nicked the bitmaps look identical. I could have sworn the one by the well known designer came out quite a bit later..
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=146213 >
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=142367 >

Shameful behaviour or what?

SpeedBrkr

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Jan. 22 2004, 2:02 pm

Quote (tempest @ Jan. 22 2004, 1:27 pm)

There's also 10+ women's pure black capris/flares.

:laughroll:

CheezeGritz

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Feb. 2003

Jan. 22 2004, 2:44 pm

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?!?! Another example of design theft!!! This is unbelievable!!!...And its one of our very own TU members...The_White_Light caught stealing graphics from other designs!!!

ORIGINAL-
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=149549 >

FRAUD-
< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=152395 >

:laughroll:

LOL

Roxxie

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Jan. 22 2004, 3:21 pm

rofl, I think it's okay to steal from yourself, haha :laugh:

Roxxie

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Jan. 22 2004, 3:43 pm

I put a couple of designs that look simular on a web page, so I didn't have to tell who the designers are....check them out at < http://hometown.aol.com/crazyartsychick/simular.html >

Operation_Ivy

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Jan. 22 2004, 3:58 pm

im sorry roxxie but the outfit doesnt look much alike to me at all, the one doesnt even look like a cheerleader outfit, yours looks way better so i wouldnt sweat it :P

The_White_Light

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Jan. 22 2004, 5:16 pm

Quote (CheezeGritz @ Jan. 22 2004, 12:44 pm)

LOL

Okay, I admit it. I'd do it again if I had the chance. There Catalog

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sammykun

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Jan. 23 2004, 1:22 am

Quote (Roxxie @ Jan. 22 2004, 9:43 am)

I put a couple of designs that look simular on a web page, so I didn't have to tell who the designers are....check them out at < http://hometown.aol.com/crazyartsychick/simular.html >

oh oh! look at me! i'm using the forums! w00t.

this is...how you say..."irony?"

< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=42389 >

< http://webapps.prod.there.com/items/view?ItemId=97774 >

0wnz3d!

Colin25

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Jan. 23 2004, 4:34 pm

Well i had to add this. Mine on the left, their POS copy on the right. They took a screenshot of my bike's grill in the game, and pasted that on their jpeg for submitting.
Oh, on their website, they take full credit for the design as well. You might wanna see if they stole your designs as well.......http://www.dcc.silentsonic.com/

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not sure if the pic will show up, if not i'll post the auction links.

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