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ok, I voted. I think an adults only area would be great, but I wouldnt be willing to pay for it. There nickels and dimes us to death already as it is. I refuse to *pay* for anything else right now. I do agree with the idea though. There 4 All - Community Journal
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I'm agreeing with Evan. *gasp*
Besides... they would then feel it would be ok to charge for a future Kids Area...
Also curious.. Adult as in ADULT ADULT.. or age restictive? LOL A naive girl can be infatuated with a knight,
but only a woman can love the man inside the armor.
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Oz11
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I agree with evan, besides they already said they're "working" on it.
I think the adult area should be anything goes, nudity, cursing, out right sex on a chair, why not? No one under 18 should be there anyway, and most of that goes on now.  "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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Daemona
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Adult as in noone under 18 allowed.
Foul language permitted but no personal attacks (like you could say omfg spelled out but not you f-ing f-ing f!
sexual innuendos permitted
bascailly get rid of the censorship we have now.
and topless ladies tops. I so want pierced nips in There. Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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evankirk
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I dont really know that much about controlling memberships, but I wonder how There could assure everyone was of age? Credit cards are no longer reliable age indicators. Hell, my newphew Dylan has a pre paid credit card my brother got for him to use in gaming. It looks, acts and for all purposes, IS a real credit card, just has to be recharged.
Im just wondering how There would police this. There 4 All - Community Journal
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Lexiwexy
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hmmm...I have to agree with Evan on the fist post as well.
I also said pretty much the smake thing in Evan's second post..LOL. Now days over the internet, there just isnt many ways to PROVE someone is an adult.
Lexi  I'm listening I swear!
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Oz11
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My idea for an adult island was to only allow people in based on association, such as, I know this person who I know is over 18 and they know this person who they know is over 18, does anyone know this person is over 18? No, well then you can't get in. But that doesn't always work. They just can't care that much, legaly all they have to do is check for credit cards, then if someone else comes and says "hey my 14 year old was on your adult island and saw someone say a bad word" there can say "Hey we checked for credit card/driver licens/id, its not our fault". "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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evankirk
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Yeah, I mean.. Daniel has to sign Dylan up for the services he uses, and we dont let him actually hold on to his credit card, its just his allowance. He can make it stretch the whole month, or use it all in one day. That isnt to say though, that some kids couldnt use those things to sign up for services on their own. Kids are sooo not dumb. I just see this as being a real challenge for There to control. There 4 All - Community Journal
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Daemona
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thigh high hooker boots
stilletto heels
BEER out of vending machines
Cigarettes
gambling (slots? black jack?)
you get teh idea
I want vegas...and I want a martini Sin like you mean it!
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evankirk
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Too bad that There isnt like Palace was. Where users could "make their own Palace", then choose to allow in who they wanted. That wouldnt work in There of course, but each Palace established its own rules, and the operators were responsible for their own Palace, not the people who owned the software. There 4 All - Community Journal
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Oz11
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The problem will be if they TRY to control it, if its an adult area, shouldn't adults be adult enough to control it on their own?
I think they should check for id, then thats it, everything else is up for grabs, There feels too restricted as it is, if they restricted an adult area too, no one would care to go cuse it'd just be like everyother place but you could say the f word, which you can do anyway, just on the adult island you wouldn't have to worry about who you do it around. And most likely thats all the adult island will be, heh. Adult only items would be hard too, they would still have an approval process because of copyrighted material, and i highly doubt they would allow adult objects, er... blunt objects, get what I mean? An Adult Area in There is kind of an oxymoron.
And i like that idea too evan, houses are kind of like that, or atleast they should be, technicly it depends on who you let in that depends on wether you'll have problems or not. "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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Sumox
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Well this is a idea.....that would take a long time, and might leave some out.....
But the only way you could by allowed in is if you send there a voice clip of you saying something that there tells you to say, and if you have a adult voice your in, but still its not fool proof but it is just a idea still brewing in my little head, lol.
Now for all of you that know I am 13, you might be asking why would he be making up ideas for a adult island that he wouldn't be able to even get on, well first off I have to say I here like 10 times worse at school then I here in there.....and I have been into some "deep" convo's in there. And if people want a place were they don't want to hurt the "young ears" then that is just fine with me, besides by the time there gets around do even starting this idea, I will probably be 18 already, ROFL. 
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| Quote (Sumox @ Nov. 08 2003, 7:52 am) | | Now for all of you that know I am 13, you might be asking why would he be making up ideas for a adult island that he wouldn't be able to even get on, well first off I have to say I here like 10 times worse at school then I here in there.....and I have been into some "deep" convo's in there. |
I don't know why you think we don't get just as bad as you do at school. We just do it in IM's. Sin like you mean it!
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| Quote (Oz11 @ Nov. 08 2003, 12:19 pm) | I agree with evan, besides they already said they're "working" on it.
I think the adult area should be anything goes, nudity, cursing, out right sex on a chair, why not? No one under 18 should be there anyway, and most of that goes on now. |
If you want something like that, I suggest you try seducity.com
It will suit your needs.
And just to make everybody aware, the trial alone reportedly $6.95 so it makes you wonder how much the monthly fee is.
If There eventually builds this adult area, I suspect it will cost ALOT to be in it.
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Oz11
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Well whats the point of having an adult area if the only thing different is freedom of speech which we should have in most places in There anyway? There are ways to do everything I stated already in There, the adult place would just make them easier and "official".
A trial that costs money? Uh... whats the point of that? There's greed is a real turn off, there are better ways to make money than everything they're doing. If the adult area was pay to enter it'd be pretty damn empty, I sure wouldn't pay for it, specialy when places like Second Life have mature area's for free. "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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Elliott_Beazley
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I have to disagree with some of the preferences you have listed in an "adult area."
Hooker boots? since when do we need to be hookers?
Cigarettes/Beer/other substances - because these substances in real life may "relieve" some people, the effect in There would be nothing, i guess you could look "cool"
gambling - great idea..i like to risk my $$
as a 14 year old, i just want to point out that laws in the U.s. are not the same as laws in the There world...there are people in Europe, Canada..etc.
my vote for an adult area is no...
my parents are fine with me playing this game...they drink, my brother smokes, whats going to be different?
if you dont like how something is, then dont play at all
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| Quote (Daemona @ Nov. 08 2003, 11:59 am) | | I don't know why you think we don't get just as bad as you do at school. We just do it in IM's. |
Yes your right, I was just trying to show that alot of stuff we here in school is what we here in there. And you just get use to it.
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evankirk
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There does have to operate under US laws though Elliott because its US based and its servers are in the US. So even though there are members of There from overseas, There still has to operate according to laws of the United States. There 4 All - Community Journal
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Elliott_Beazley
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I hate it when someone says "under 18 year olds shouldn't be in There anyway"
There is a pg-13--it was listed when you sign up, if you dont like it, dont play
some other preferences:
nudity? if kids want to do that they can search no Google easily
plus i think graphic nudity is less deteriorating to the mind in a sense..its art rofl 
cussing..i do that enough anyway, plus in world there is nothing wrong with that
*sex on a chair* oh lawd rofl.. if you can do that in public in front of your other naked peers, go right ahead..
i usually do not do things in there that i woulnd't do in Real Life
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evankirk
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Personally, I like having young people around. Look at Elliott.. he works for CST, he is great and talented. It would be a loss for us without him. Also, my friend Mike is 16. Im cautious as possible of what I say around them, but I would still hate not to have them. An escape to an option adult land would be nice for those that choose to use it, but I also like it like it is.
EDIT: OMG, I agree with Crystal too though. It would make parents feel safer. Man, this issue is tougher than I thought. There 4 All - Community Journal
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CrystalShard
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I think an adult zone is a nice idea - i'm getting sick and tierd from the multiple restrictions.
But I voted "other": I would like to see a highly moderated G rated zone, which require pay to use. Call it the There Kindergarden - a place where parents can set their 8 year olds loose without worry. Child oriented activities, etc'.
Concidering the type of crowd There is turning to, this sounds like a pretty good idea that will convince moms to pay for subscription for themselves and their children.
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Elliott_Beazley
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thanks evan... ths topic should last for a while... *will keep refreshing every 1 min rofl*
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Rose_E_Vette
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*views graphic of poll choice responces*
ummm... ummmm... maybe I need to stop viewing this topic as that picture of the poll results is planting subliminal messages in my very suggestive brain....
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evankirk
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Well, Dae has a point. She wants a place where she can be adult, in every way, without having to feel like a mommy. I agree. I also would like that on occasion, but I would hate to be seperated totally from ALL of There. I guess thats my final view. Kids need a place to be kids, adults need a place to be adults, but its also nice to be able to mingle too. There are predators in There as everywhere, but if I DID see someone harrassing Elliott, or Mike or anyone else I knew was underage, I would step in. Otherwise, I would leave them to their business.
Am I making ANY sense at all? I have a hangover.  Oops, sorry Elliott. HAH! There 4 All - Community Journal
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Elliott_Beazley
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My number 1 reason for not wanting this zone:
All the adults would flock to it... i can see it now..
where would my friends be? must of my friends are way older than i am...
where can we be together? why cant he/she have what they want, me have what i want, and just be in the same zone?
thats how it is now..and thats how i like it
the bond between old and young avatars is very strong right now, and i think having separate zones would break that bond, and make more havoc..
for example
"hey elliott, whats up"
-------------"nm, u? just biking"
"i am at this killer party"
"want a summon"
------------sure thanks man
"You are not allowed in this zone"
while everyone else is having fun inside...
note: i am not saying that under 18 year olds should be allowed, i am saying then need to have it opened to all, or not opened at all for peace
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Elliott_Beazley
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| Quote (evankirk @ Nov. 08 2003, 12:32 pm) | Well, Dae has a point. She wants a place where she can be adult, in every way, without having to feel like a mommy. I agree. I also would like that on occasion, but I would hate to be seperated totally from ALL of There. I guess thats my final view. Kids need a place to be kids, adults need a place to be adults, but its also nice to be able to mingle too. There are predators in There as everywhere, but if I DID see someone harrassing Elliott, or Mike or anyone else I knew was underage, I would step in. Otherwise, I would leave them to their business.
Am I making ANY sense at all? I have a hangover. Oops, sorry Elliott. HAH! |
Rofl evan
i agree with you on certain things..disagree on others...
If this zone actually happens, if the answer to the kids' problems are having their "own zone" i will not stand for it..
i play this game to get away from real life so all my same-age friends can get a life---some can be really immature
an only "kids zone" would be bad...real bad rofl
www.dictionary.com says:
adult
\A*dult"\, n. A person, animal, or plant grown to full size and strength; one who has reached maturity.
Note: In the common law, the term is applied to a person who has attained full age or legal majority; in the civil law, to males after the age of fourteen, and to females after twelve.
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I voted wanting it but not paying more for us.
While I like conversing with everyone. There
are times I wish to act 'hmm misbehave even a
little. I sure as heck wouldn't be there all the time.
I love most of the places in there  .
Yes playing playing parent for people who's
parents don't monitor what they do is a pain at times.
yet many young people are very intelligent and add to There
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evankirk
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Im not saying an either OR zone Elliott, rather an optional available zone. There would still be There, where adults and kids could mingle. Just a place where adults CAN go if they choose, yes.. where you could NOT go, but not just a this There or a that There. Adults do want to escape, but a lot also like being able to mingle with everyone, Im one of those. There 4 All - Community Journal
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Wanted
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not that i pay anything or play the game at this point but i would like to see an adult area but wouldnt pay for it unless there let me open up a strip club n stuff n lemmie be a pimp n wouldgimmie a cowboy hat with a giant purple feather. "I hate every bone in your body except mine." - CC DaVille
"Bread Makes Me Poop!" - Special Ed
Hey Im a n00b to There i am not even in it yet waiting to get in tho, \^/
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Elliott_Beazley
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lets just say this...
i am going to log off in there if i can be summoned by my best friend. 
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Daemona
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I already take my adult conversations either to IMs or into yahoo. That already takes me out of the There window. I am already not engaging in a convo with kids. I have no desire to interact with children online. There are very few teens in There on my buddy list for a reason. the ones who are got there because they were decent people and could carry on a conversation beyond school or dating problems.
I want to be able to get and give lap dances. i want to make sure the other avie is not 14. The people who would go to this area are already looking for ways to keep this stuff away from the kids. Sin like you mean it!
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I agree this is a very tough issue. Like Elliot said, all the adults would spend time in the adult zone, which means nobody really to talk to for us under-agers, but I suppose you could argue that that's selfish of me... I suppose there aren't many people under the age or, the vast majority of users are over 18. There may loose a few under 18 customers, but would maybe attract more adults. I think, if There are already working on this, and most adults want it, us teens don't really have much of a chance stopping them. As for things like cigerrettes, beer, hookers etc. Why does anyone need this? I can understand people smoking cigerrettes in the real world if they are already hooked, but online smoking is something that only idiots who want to look cool or whatever what do, no offence. I doubt if they introduced beer, your avatar would get a hangover or the like, so, unless people feel they look cooler, or think drinking fizzy drinks is sad, there is not really any reason to have beer. My advice to those people is not to buy a drink. As for sex/hookers, I don't 'cyber' with people or anything like that. Leave that for the real world, I don't see why anyone needs to repetedly click the tounge emote over and over again to give them pleasure... :/
Yes, you could argue I don't know anything because I'm only 14; but that's just my opinion.
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I voted yes, and that I'd pay the $5 but for another reason... I have a kid who is desperate to get onto There, and while I love the freedoms Therians have with their opinions on sex, life, and the universe in general, I'm not sure that the kid is ready for them. I mean, he still kinda sorta believes in Santa Claus, I'm not sure I want someone asking him if he enjoys going down on people as a first meeting line would be appropriate. (Happened to me.) Maybe I would pay for an area to be sanitized instead? You know, not pay for an adult area, but pay for a kid area where certain language and actions are restricted, but the place doesn't become like a Chucky Cheese's. Hmmm. Then also maybe some people who have the rather stringent religious restrictions on language and personal freedoms could choose to be there as well... Prostylization scares me. I'm not sure there's an easy solution.
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AGE AINT NOTHIN BUT A NUMBER
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I think an adult area would be great..but I'd like to come and go as I pleased. When I feel like getting naked and out of control, I'll go to the adult area, and when I feel like racing my bike, I'd go back to the general area.
 But I'm thinking if I could get naked and out of control in world, I might hang out in that area more often 
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MuPp3t
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I think Helen has a great point There. My solution would be:
If adults want their kids in there, but don't want them to be exposed to the real world. Then they can pay for a kids only area from them. Everyone has a colour around their names right? I'm not sure what this is, it could for all I know already mean what I'm about to say. The colour should depend on what age the person is: for example, blue for under 18, green for 18-21 etc etc. This way, if an underage person joins a conversation they can be asked to leave or whatever. Again, if this is already what the colours mean, then sorry and you can slap me for being an idiot.
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Daemona
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| Quote (Wanted @ Nov. 08 2003, 8:46 am) | | not that i pay anything or play the game at this point but i would like to see an adult area but wouldnt pay for it unless there let me open up a strip club n stuff n lemmie be a pimp n wouldgimmie a cowboy hat with a giant purple feather. |
i already run a strip club through my Mafioso club and my friend Mikey_B runs the pimps. Adults WANT this.
And no elliot i never said There should be divided to keep the kids and grown ups away. There would stay as it is just have Dae's island where we can go get scandelous away from the kids.
Your adult best friend is NOT going to ditch you to go get lap dances and humvees. An dif they do they weren't really your friend in the first place. IRL married men and women go to casinos, topless bars, etc. but they don't LIVE there. They come home and spend time with their families.
This isn't an either or situation. It is about choices and options for ADULTS. Sin like you mean it!
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MuPp3t
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Elliot, true dat.
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Rose_E_Vette
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okay I'll make a serious post in this.
Elliott, I listened to the real world gathering audio and heard There, Inc's take on all of this. If they stay true to plan, a kids Island will be first after International buddy program, and then Adult Island. So, unless other issues get in the way, we will have these things.
Now, as to the separate but equal issue. In the case of Kid's island, this will only be viewable and accesible to those registered to use it. Ie, you will never see it on the map. Separate server? I'm not sure. But unless you are registered, you won't have access.
They are currently looking in to working with the Boys scouts/Girl Scouts/Big Brother, etc organizations to do the "registration." In other words, they will require the testemony of a partnered organization to verify that this person is a minor. Only that child and his/her parents will have access then to that island.
I would assume it will be no different for Vegas. They will charge extra, and only those registered will be able to see it. You will not have cross talk or summoning as you can now with so called "Restricted" zones like the Oro Lounge.
*phew* now..THAT said,
I have no problem with any of these solutions as long as the pg-13 rated enviornment is left in tact. I dont know if I would sign up for an adult area, but I do know that my daughter would enjoy a kids only area, as I feel she is not mature enough to handle even a pg-13 environment. Many teens in there are more than mature enough to handle an adult only area, but frankly, I imagine like most adult only things, the novelty wears off and you'll see folks not pay to keep it. Like you said, what are you going to do with a martini or beer? hold it...sip it and may have a few cute animations...but that is all it will be.
It will allow for graphic discussions, mature themed "games" and cyber. Obviously a market for it, and you can bet THERE will not let it go cheaply. Why should they, they have Amsterdam as a model to follow. 
It should also be pointed out, that the overwhelming majority of data they have on the demographics of THERE clearly show, flirting is great..but anything more is considered over the line and gross.
If anyone is interested in hearing these audios, they are still available in mp3 format. Being lazy like Evan, I will point you to the Caldera Sun-Times for a link to that information. Rose E'vette
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Daemona
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| Quote (Elliott_Beazley @ Nov. 08 2003, 8:50 am) | AGE AINT NOTHIN BUT A NUMBER
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That mentality is what gets a lot of adults in JAIL. But what do you care? It wouldn't be your butt behind bars would it?
This has to do with protecting kids from horny adults but also protecting those adults who are looking for genuine consenting adult partners and end up cybering with a 14 year old kid who LIED. It HAS happened and people HAVE been arrested for cybering with teen agers. Did the teens get punished for LIEING? No but the adults they tricked got jail sentances and have to register as sex offenders.
Stop being so selfish and thinking about how this affects YOU. this really isn't about YOU. it is about ppl who are looking for more than buggy races and paintball.
And if the adults flock to it at $5 a month?! GREAT! There doesn't go belly-up! The pervs save There from financial ruin! You get to play the game knowing that the freaks are keeping the servers running. Heck maybe they would be able to hire more ppl and get updates done sooner. Sin like you mean it!
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Elliott_Beazley
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ok lets say they make "kids island" what am i gonna do there? talk to immature kids about how to jump the highest? lets get real, look at the big picture
Why do i play there?
I have big interests in photoshop, and i want to see if people like my work..it gives me a reason to progress
I like to converse with adults. They teach me things, i teach them things, it just makes both of us better people so they can teach me life lessons while i bring out the kid in them once in a while/inspire them.
Many of the voters for the adult zone are my friends... i can imagine the first day of this zone happening..
Karuna Plaza is empty
all the adult zones are full
and me and a bunch of dummies are sitting in the middle of the ocean doing squat
what i am saying is.. A Kids Zone isn't going to make it better because the kids are what i want to get away from..
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Ooh, Elliott, I have to disagree. Without getting to esoteric and going on for hours as I occasionally do Age is a number but not only a number. Knowing someone's age can give you a general idea of where the person is but it is by no means a hard and fast or even accurate rule of thumb. My kid has a learning disability that keeps him emotionally younger than his peers. He's not that much younger than you. I know this is an unusual case, but I know personally a number of 18-25 year olds that often act like they're 15 or under... I guess the real word we're looking for is *maturity*. So rather than call it an "age restricted area" we could call it a "mature content area"... But physical age is often the ruler used to ascertain ability to handle that kind of content.
Yeah, that wasn't too long riiight.
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I see Elliotts side in this too very well. He doesnt want to be exlcuded from people that are his friends. Also, thanks Rose.. Im glad its not just me today. There 4 All - Community Journal
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| Quote (Daemona @ Nov. 08 2003, 1:02 pm) | | Quote (Elliott_Beazley @ Nov. 08 2003, 8:50 am) | AGE AINT NOTHIN BUT A NUMBER
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That mentality is what gets a lot of adults in JAIL. But what do you care? It wouldn't be your butt behind bars would it?
This has to do with protecting kids from horny adults but also protecting those adults who are looking for genuine consenting adult partners and end up cybering with a 14 year old kid who LIED. It HAS happened and people HAVE been arrested for cybering with teen agers. Did the teens get punished for LIEING? No but the adults they tricked got jail sentances and have to register as sex offenders.
Stop being so selfish and thinking about how this affects YOU. this really isn't about YOU. it is about ppl who are looking for more than buggy races and paintball.
And if the adults flock to it at $5 a month?! GREAT! There doesn't go belly-up! The pervs save There from financial ruin! You get to play the game knowing that the freaks are keeping the servers running. Heck maybe they would be able to hire more ppl and get updates done sooner. |
Dae..dont act like i am not aware about what goes on in Real Life..
i totally agree with having ages on our name tags..
but banning them in certain areas as wrong
i think being a moral person and doing what is right about other people is what its really all about
if you wanna go cyber with your boy toy, go out in the middle of the ocean..no one will see you there..
but if anyone tried to hook up with me, i would step out.. i am not into that kind of crap unless its for humourous entertainment for both of us
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*flashback*
January 2002 - The Sims Online - Jolly Pines
i meet my friend Becca_Sanders
little did we know we would be friends the year later..
The question of age never came up
but one day she said "elliott, are you around 30?"
i am currently 14, i was 13 then
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It's a difficult issue to argue, I don't want to offend anyone on here, so I've decided I probably shouldn't post what I think. I just don't want to be seperated from adults, Elliott is right, most people our age are incredibly immature, it seems a bit unfair to us I suppose.
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Troz
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Wow Dae, creepy...I was just thinking about an Adults-Only Island yesterday, just never got around to posting about it...
And Elliot, don't worry man. I don't think every adult in There will abandon the rest of the world and flee to the Adult Only island/sections. I know I'd only go if I was feeling a little dirty and wanted to gamble or run around naked! I still love haning out with the younger teens, it's just that occassioanlly we young adults and the old geezers in There ( Evan  ) want some Adult Time. We know that you are VERY mature, and we can't stereotype ALL teens, but the majority that I've met HAVE been a little...annoying?...please don't rip me to shreds cause I still  ya man.
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Elliott: I think you might be right about the kid's island thing... Hm. What about a Kid's island AND a Mature content area? With the only thing changing in There in general is that the really graphic stuff would go to the MCA, and the parents who wanted their kids to be in a safe area sign them up for the KI? It would probably make it less likely for There to do it, but it would be a more fair solution, i think.
And if those friends did abandon you for the adult area, I have to agree that they weren't real friends.
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I think There should provide some kind of test to all avatars.. measuring there inclinations as a person...
age isn't the issue--Being crazy and Stupid is the issue.. There is a world to get away..so lets just let everyone do what they want to do, and Dae if you get arrested for doing the sex emote with me, i wont press charges rofl
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first i'd like to respond to elliott's post and then i'll address the issue at hand. when i met elliott i had no idea he was as young as he was.. and in truth many weeks passed before i found out he was only 13. for quite awhile he led me to believe he was 16.. but that is neither here nor there.. the point is that some teens are so mature they can easily pass for much older. i am delighted that all these months later we are the best of friends and in my opinion will be throughout our lives. And now for the issue of an adult area... i'm not in favor of it.. it would be impossible to police.. there is already so much that goes on in the game that i hardly see a need for an adult area.. the only thing we can't do at present is walk around naked..... and if peeps really want to do that they could do something like what has been done in tso. those of you who play tso know what i'm talking about.. i see no reason why that can't be done here in There too.. well so much for my two cents worth... have fun!!! When life hands you lemons, stick them in your bra---it couldn't hurt, it might help!
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thanks athena 'blowkiss
btw Athena = Becca_Sanders rofl
is anyone else getting heated...?
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Troz
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Good point Atherna, but I think the reason we're wanting an Adult Area is so that we can express ourselves and not be stripped of certain actions in There, almost in the way Watersign's VC was taken away.
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If people want to walk around naked, make your own textures, replace them in your own folder. You see what you want to see, it doesn't offend anyone else, and you don't have to have an adult area.
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Watersign's case has nothing to do with it..he put down a woman avatar..enough said.
"express ourselves"
i dont think we need to get fully naked, high, drunk whatever and have sex with every avatar in the room..there would be "sexual there diseases" instead of "sexual transmitted diseases" rofl
and i guess when i turn 18 ill go in for the first time , *yeah* cough right lol
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I don't understand why adults can't 'express' themselves in real life. It's legal perfectly legal for you. I don't understand how people get pleasure from it either.
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Note: This scenario is not personally preferible by me. LOL
Scenario:
Lets say my (im 14) avatar is named Bob
and a 14 year old girl made an avatar named Suzie
if we both have the hots for each other in world, are you saying we cant hook up???
the question is not banning younger avatars, its banning forced interaction in between younger avatars and older avatars
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Congratulations Elliott_Beazley! You have reached Legendary in Debate Skill.
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athena_m
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Oh that we had debate skill in game ! ! ! When life hands you lemons, stick them in your bra---it couldn't hurt, it might help!
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Me? Well, what do you mean by hook up?
People can do what they like, as long as it doesn't effect me or anyone else in a negative way, I don't care.
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Give me your level up prize ya little munchkin or ill send you to the kiddy island.
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There has always been about customization by the user.
They will infact continue to provide a custom THERE for whoever wants to pay for that on the individual level.
These other issues about age or maturity do not exclude this fact. Whether There, Inc brings us Kid Island or Vega Island as proposed will not alter your current THERE. It will be as it is now and populated by FAR more folks then these other custom islands. The reason they are not rolling them out now is the fact they DO have to comply with US laws. Until they know they can do that effectively there will NOT be a Kid's Island or Vegas.
When this happens, and it is just again a matter of time, by which every current teen in world now may WELL be 18 and no longer an issue, my guess is that they will be on separate servers so as to avoid the current Second Life loop hole of...if you can still see it from outside the mature zone, you can't do it.
Providing choice, whether you like other's choices or not is not a bad thing when you are in the position to make a profit from it.
This has nothing to do with right or wrong, except to the person making the decision to purchase that option or not. Rose E'vette
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Elliott_Beazley
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"hook up" as in the sex inuendos that Daemona requested earlier
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My level up prize was a buggy to run over all your horny adults!! ROFL jk jk
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good point ... as always profits are the overriding motivator in most capitalistic societies  ... and if that sounds like a complaint, it is not... i am a capitalist!!! look at my credit card .. i can prove it.. When life hands you lemons, stick them in your bra---it couldn't hurt, it might help!
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Second Life has themeparks already?
< http://secondlife.com/images/notes/2003_10_14a_lg.jpg >
Im SOOO mad at There. Sorry babies, I went off topic, but I just found this and now me is sad. There 4 All - Community Journal
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Oy.
Muppet, we do express ourselves in public. I can't very well kiss my friend Joachim irl because he lives in MN, and I'm in PA. Well, I could with a 24 hour drive, but it's a lot nicer to just log onto there and 'blowkiss. :P
The other thing is that there are indeed times when, as an adult, you want to run around, do stuff you normally wouldn't do, and act like a total a$$. I certainly don't go to There to add more seriousness to my life. The mature content area would provide an area that you could, responsibly, get your a$$erifficness out with other people who would be doing the same thing. You wouldn't need to worry about warping someone's now-and-future perceptions of life, because they are ostensibly adult, and therefore able to make their own choices.
Elliott, I don't think anyone wants to take away Bob or Suzie's 'kiss, just maybe restrict their 'f*ck. I would think that a MC Area would get *added* abilities, not have standard ones removed from There itself.
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but would if they wanted to f*ck
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don't listen to evan, give ME, your KING, your level up prize...
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whoof.. coming in on a thread this late is not good for my health. hehee. *clears throat*
okay, elliot, i can see your point on this, but adult/kid islands totally have my vote. kid island is a pretty simple idea, a place for all the children to run around. this doesn't mean YOU, but like.. 8 year olds. dumbed down events, strictly moderated, etc.
the adult area: i am totally for it. i also believe that we will have some people that never leave the place, but i don't think that means everyone will abandon There. maybe for the first two days or so. :P but really.. i would miss Saja and Tyr and even silly places like Karuna Plaza. i can still see myself spending most of my time in the main area.
about the cigarettes/alcoholic drinks: i am totally for this one, too. it may be pointless, but it adds a heightened believability, and a further extension to roleplay. it's purely style, yes, but when i can customize to the point where i can make a TRUE character, and not just another avatar, i will be very happy. some people have their avatar as an extension of their real life persona (ie me) and others have theirs particularly for escapism. i'd like to have dredges and gambling addicts. chain smokers, and slutty girls. again, it's the whole heightened sense of believability. i used to be a really big roleplayer, and having every walk of life open to me was much more exciting than being goody-two-shoes all the time.
also, maybe it's just my pervertedness (and from playing one too many hentai games), but i'd really like to see some groping. :3 i mean.. after a while, kissing is just not enough. and i could not "cyber" in there as is, seeing as the little text bubbles are for what you are SAYING, not doing. i'm not really into cybering anyways, but i would definitely not mind copping a feel on some avies generous chests. 
also, having a nudist area would be refreshing, although if the models stay the same, i don't think i will be that intrigued by it. i mean.. not only is the t-shirt uniboob going to be a little tricky for naked skins.. but what about the lower half? especially for male avies. i mean.. is your avatar just going to sprout extra polygons or are people going to draw dinky little weenies on a pair of pants? if it's the latter, no thanks!  (although the prospect of having a 'boner emote amuses me to no extent  )
oh goodness, i've totally written a phonebook. i would like to be able to be as foul mouthed and perverted as i feel without offending those around me. i'd also like the ability to play even more realistically, and have it still be an escape. this area intrigues me, and i could understand paying 5 bucks for it. more.. i might reconsider, but if it's really that good, i just might pay more. those are my points so far, anyways. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
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Elliott_Beazley
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I am not totally against a Zone where you can partake in those activities you listed. But banning younger avatars no doubt will create problems. I think the #1 solution is to have marked tags on all avatars acknoledging the age of the person behind the avatar only WITHIN THE ZONE so that other avatars are aware, because these activities are very age sensitive
have yourself in my postion..having There itself ban you from a zone. of course you would feel left out, and there will be people constantly in there, i would probably not play much anymore
kids island will do nothing for me
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so, what are you saying? avies hold a strip party and then suddenly shut it down because a 15 year old walks in? i would be really pissy if this was the way it was implemented. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
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Twist
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Well heres how I see it,
If you want to go to the adult island, you get a pop up disclaimer:
You are entering an Adult Zone. By pressing Ok you understand that there inc is not respocible for any actions taken in this island. Also be warned that you may see adult graphics or material. Pressing Cancel will teleport you back.
(If anything I sugested was incorrect in some law, feel free to correct me)
P.S. Elliott Congrats on becomming a "Master Debater" 
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Elliott_Beazley
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Thanks Twist--Thanks for being the Greatest Debate Teacher that made me an awsome Master Debator ROFL ROFL
anyway.. 'blush
ya i think Twist has had the best idea bout the Adult Zone yet
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As for a kids zone,...I think this should be optional.
Kids should be able to go to a safe place where only they can go. People who claim to be older get teleported back if they try to enter. (I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL KIDS SHOULD BE LOCKED UP HERE) I am just saying that some children need a safe place they CAN go.
P.S. If kids wanna be known as a kid they should have height controls....Mainly so I can beat them at there basketball
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ok i slept in way too late and missed this thread so here goes:
adult area:  twist's idea makes the most sense and would be the easiest to implement
kids area:  it would be empty except the pedophiles
cigs and booze: that would be awesome, and would be a great way for There to make money, since cig and beer companies pay top dollar for advertising.
nudity: i guess itd be cool, designers could delve further into their artistic freedoms
penetration: hello, boner griefers hehe good thing we have eye patches ok that was wrong anyways you see where im going with this and what kinda trouble it would cause plus there are ways to simulate penetration already, you just have to be creative http://vanno.thereinperson.com
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ROFL Eyepatchs!!!!
But if adults wanna "go at it" they should both agree before that happens,like kissing... if you wanna smooch then you gotta sit your ass in the chair! So if you wanna "play monopoly"(best way to censor it) you both have to climb into a love bed
...no boner griefers!!!!!
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Sumox
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Hmm....for some reason whenever I try talking I here Elliott_Beazley voice instead of mine, he just taken the words right out of me. Me as 13 (14 in april, still have a little, lol) can make sence of what he says, I have many adult friends, and if they made this "adult" island I would be stuck with no one expet the group of kids wanting to #### people off in there....wait there is no one too do that, guess me Elliott_Beazley will be alone in the ocean doing nothin.
Added text: lol the #### is p i s s, for some reason it edited that, lol.
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I haven't actually had time most of the posts here, but here's my thoughts. It might be nice to have an "Over 18 only" area, but like it's been said, it would be hard to regulate and some kids will inevitably find their way into them. Knowing this, and knowing the average person's view on on "games", it could prove disastorous for the publicity.
Some mother would walk in to find little Johnny having cybersex, with nude figures making out on the screen, and would then bitch and moan to the media. There Catalog
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If little Johny agreed to the diclaimer, wouldn't it be the parent's fault for letting the child on there without supervision?
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| Quote (The_White_Light @ Nov. 08 2003, 3:27 pm) | | Some mother would walk in to find little Johnny having cybersex, with nude figures making out on the screen, and would then bitch and moan to the media. |
sad but true http://vanno.thereinperson.com
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Here's my two cents on the issue:
First of all, let's examine the number one concept of marketing: sex sells. That's human nature, you will never ever ever be able to change it or stop it. I'm sorry. Being the shrewd businesspeople that There Inc. may be, they fully understand there is an untapped market out there for an adults-only area within their game. They are not stupid.
Second, there is the issue of how does There make sure that only adults are in this area and kids are not? Guess what, it's not There's responsibility past a reasonable attempt to make sure you are of legal age. That responsibility falls on the parents who should be monitoring their children's usage of the Internet. That is not my burden to censor myself around other people's kids, nor is it There's to conduct a full investigation into the age of everyone using the game, whether they lied about their age or not, etc. Nowhere when signing up for this game did I agree to become a babysitter for other people's kids. If they are offended by the way I conduct myself (and you can ask those who know me in-game, I generally conduct myself like a gentleman in public, but there are times when I slip... we all do), that is their issue, not mine. What is offensive is too subjective to everyone to hold up everyone to a particular standard, so it is impossible to enforce. How do you enforce against profane voice chat? Someone from There actually has to be there listening. Otherwise a group of friends can just come together and say that so-and-so was using lewd language in voicechat and There would have to act on he-said-she-said information to suspend or ban that person. And that's a load of crap.
Third, there is the issue of how kids may no longer be able to interact with adults because all of the adults will go to Adult Land or whatever. I'm sorry, but it's kind of the opposite how I'm supposed to restrict my behavior and language because there might be kids present and parents may get easily offended. **That's what caused the need for Adult Land to begin with.** Most people log on to There to escape real life... what's the point if we're subject to the same restrictions we are in Real Life? Where we can't even express ourselves in a game the way we would like to and be ourselves because we might get suspended or banned because other people let their kids roam freely on the internet, which, news flash, is like 90% porn anyhow. Now I also agree with others that not every adult will be in Adult Land 100% of the time. So I don't think you should worry about the lack of adults to interact with in the regular areas.
But you CAN'T have it both ways. You can't sit there and censor people expressing themselves and not expect them to want an area to themselves where they ARE free to do so.
I agree there needs to be a place where adults are free to express themselves however they choose. And to say on one hand that "There doesn't need that" and on the other hand be worried that all of the adults will be there and kids won't have anyone to interact with is completely contradictory. The fact that you're afraid all of the adults will run off to Adult Land shows that you know deep down that a lot of people in There are looking for something like this. And don't be surprised if There charges a premium for it, because they know as well as we do that sex sells.
This has nothing to do with kids vs. adults. Personally I don't care what the actual age of the person I'm interacting with in There is, I only care about the level of maturity that person exhibits, really. But adults sometimes prefer to interact in ways that may not be acceptable for kids, and I think everyone here understands that, and if There is going to provide such an environment, it is for the protection of children, for the satisfaction of parents, and to cater to the needs of the adult demographic who are seeking that sort of thing.
And in order for it to work, it needs to be "everything goes", except for obviously derogatory insults and swearing directed at someone in hate. It all has to be in good, clean fun. I don't believe in censorship in an online game. We come to the online games to escape real life... there's enough censorship and catering to the oversensitive in real life to have to go be subjected to it in an online fantasy world.
This is a microcosm of real life society, and even real life society has the red light district.
Again, these are just my thoughts and opinions and I'm sure people don't agree, but we're all mature enough to respect one another's opinions.  Rick Slick
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Oz11
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I agree with Twist, the disclaimer is the best way to deal with the problem without it becoming Theres problem. However if they don't do the disclaimer I don't think they shouldn't do it at all, its the same thing as...
"I'm at this great party? Want a summon?"
"sure"
*teleport*
*instant greifing because its a closed party to that group only and you aren't a part of that group*
There will always be some form of people being left out, wether its fair or not it happens. Having a disclaimer pop up and maybe a sound that would get attention would be much easier than asking everyone for credit cards too, and both ways can be bipased even if you are 18 or not anyway so it doesn't really mater as long as There is atleast asking.
A kids zone would be good and bad, good if it was highly moderated and i mean HIGHLY, look at MSN chat, closed down because of alot of pedaphile stuff going on, There would need to be more carefull about this than about the adult area. Another thing, If there was a kids area, say G rated, would that change the normal rating of the rest of the area? People say There is PG or Pg-13 but if you ask me it seems more like G with all the restrictions we have now anyway.
I completely agree with Rick too. "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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| Quote (Twist @ Nov. 08 2003, 2:32 pm) | | If little Johny agreed to the diclaimer, wouldn't it be the parent's fault for letting the child on there without supervision? |
You'd think that, but unfortunately some parents nowadays like to blame things on everyone else but their own lack of parenting. I'm not saying anyone here does that, but from what I've seen in similar media stories, you just sit there and think "Okay, and what were YOU doing when your kid was looking at all the smut on the Internet and hooking up with this 40-year-old guy on Yahoo chat?" Rick Slick
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Sumox
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wow, long post there rick, lol.
I think that was a 5 center there ROFL, but I see what you mean.
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Sumox, I didnt know you were that young! Man.. never can tell these days. 'TU There 4 All - Community Journal
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Sumox
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lol, that was a problem with some people when voice just came out, a lot of them coudn't fit the voice with how I acted, lol.
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Elliott_Beazley
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I 100% agree with the disclaimer..
I think everyone should be allowed to go into this "zone" and people who dont like it stay out.
It shouldnt be an "adult zone"
it should be "freedom zone"
it shouldn't be "drink, smoke, ooh that feels nice zone"
it should be "lets just have a party with some benefits "
I've seen so much online that the zone would probably be boring ROFL
my parents could probably care less...
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Duchess
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*quietly wondering how I managed to sleep through all this* A naive girl can be infatuated with a knight,
but only a woman can love the man inside the armor.
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Rick_Slick
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| Quote (Oz11 @ Nov. 08 2003, 2:42 pm) | | Having a disclaimer pop up and maybe a sound that would get attention would be much easier than asking everyone for credit cards too |
Yes, I envision a pop-up confirmation box, along with the volume automatically being jacked up and sounding the following audio alarm:
(trumpet fanfare) "YOUR CHILD IS ABOUT TO BE MOLESTED BY 50-YEAR-OLD PERVERTS ON THE INTERNET!!!!" (crowd cheering)
That should make sure parents pay a little closer attention.
j/k heheh Rick Slick
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"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." - John Wayne
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Ava
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As an "upstanding" member of Perv Pals, I have to say that we, as adults, should be able to play as adults. Because we don't really have any "adult" capabilities we need to improvise. There are many creative people in-world who are being stifled because of the PG13 crap. I am one of them. I have played the virginal avatar for a while now and while it's novel now, the pretense is wearing thin.
vive la perversion! "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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Elliott_Beazley
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"pg13 crap" Ava?
there clearly explains in TOS its a pg13 game when you sign up
like i said if you dont like it, dont play it
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Troz
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| Quote (glissy @ Nov. 08 2003, 1:33 pm) | | is your avatar just going to sprout extra polygons or are people going to draw dinky little weenies on a pair of pants? if it's the latter, no thanks! (although the prospect of having a 'boner emote amuses me to no extent ) |
AAAHHHH!!!! ROFLMFAO!!!!
'''boner would be the FUNNIEST emote in the world... 
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pepys2
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SHEESH! And I got my cool little warning square for a whole lot less than this stuff.
Actually, I'm proud of it.
Adult area. Is this some place like Platinum Plus? Or that other place over on Mount Moriah? Five bucks? Only if I can wear my Spankey Monkey™ boxers.
Gaak, I've had way too much wine. Gotta get back to the crater and board *Burp* 'scuse me. You'll never live if you look for the meaning of life.
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Oz11
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Two honest things...
1.) I'd rather see There finish islands such as Tyr, Saja, and Egypt and even Congrejo and/or Muto-Muto before even attempting to lay downa single polygon for an adult area. We have what, 1 finished island and 5 unfinished islands, wtf. And if Congrejo is finished, psh, I never go to that island unless theres an event or I'm summoned, and I hate that pink, ew. But do we really want a half assed adult/freedome/whatever island too? I could goto saja's island and have an adult conversation now anyway, or some other private location. So while an adult/freedom area is needed, I think they need to finish the countless other projects they've started first.
2.) Will this ever really happen? There already acts like it has a poll up its... yeah... for almost everything as it is. Having a freedom/adult area seems like an impossible dream, something that There will never grasp. The most difficult thing would be WHAT would make it adult/free in the first place? Sure, any conversation about anything, thats good. However the other things, nudity, objects, positions, emotes, would take so much development time away from things that need to get done. And if you think the wait for approved items is bad now, can you imagine the wait for adult/free items? And you know they'll have one, There isn't going to let you submit just any design, it may be a freedom of speach place but they'd still be worried about getting sued for copyrighted images. Plus they'd be constatly worrying what crosses the line. And they obviously don't know how to have two things going on at the same time, everything is backloged, to open another department to handle adult/freedom stuff that'd just make it all worse. Developing emotes and such too would just take more time from stuff too. You can see where I'm going with this.
So while I would love an adult/freedom/whatever area I highly doubt it'll happen in the near future, and I'm not sure if I want it to with how There is right now anyway. I'd rather wait and have it be good, and deal with what I can do now, than be half-assed and rushed as most things are now and just be a hassle to the point of not wanting to even deal with it.
And personaly people saying they'd pay for this is scary to me, so much in There costs money when it shouldn't (can we say, "paintball"), I find it amazing how people will complain about the money system, then go and buy more stuff, and/or bid on the latest hotest items, practice what you preach. If There did charge for access to an area like this (say like 5Tbucks an entry), I wouldn't go in, hell I don't even pay entry to clubs unless I know its for a good cause.
I apologize for the length of this, just things I feel strongly about "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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Sumox
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Another 5 center, LOL
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Elliott_Beazley
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I think this post should have been "Will There Make an Adults Only Area" because that's clearly what we have been talking about most of the time. There have no arguments about paying or not paying..etc.
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athena_m
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I totally agree with Oz . Look at the half ass job Maxis did with the Sims Online! And what happened?? There's membership increased dramatically. Just look at all the TSO refugees. I think they should complete what they've started and worry about an adult/kiddie area once those things have been completed.
To be honest, I'd rather see them work on a hug emote  before they make a play-in-the-bed emote.
I also think when they make a kiddie/adult area, which is only a matter of time IMO, that the pop-up warning is a great idea. Also, if you have to pay an additional fee to use the area, it will also serve as a filter since parents will have to pay the additional fee.
Anyway, that's my two cents again!!  When life hands you lemons, stick them in your bra---it couldn't hurt, it might help!
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Ava
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| Quote (Elliott_Beazley @ Nov. 08 2003, 6:14 pm) | "pg13 crap" Ava?
there clearly explains in TOS its a pg13 game when you sign up
like i said if you dont like it, dont play it |
Elliott:
First of all, nowhere in my post does it say I do not like There. Second, I am intelligent enough to realize that if I don't like something, I should stay away from it. I don't need another teenager telling me what to do or how to do it, as I already have one living with me doing that. Cripes! "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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Ava
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And Elliott, why is a thirteen year-old commenting about adult anything in this thread? Apparently you have a problem with There being a PG13 universe or you would not be contributing to your own delinqunecy.
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE THINK BEFORE THEY POST? I wonder what your parents would think seeing some of the things you've written here.
GONNA EXPLODE ANY MINUTE NOW..... "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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Elliott_Beazley
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| Quote (Ava @ Nov. 09 2003, 12:25 pm) | | Quote (Elliott_Beazley @ Nov. 08 2003, 6:14 pm) | "pg13 crap" Ava?
there clearly explains in TOS its a pg13 game when you sign up
like i said if you dont like it, dont play it |
Elliott:
First of all, nowhere in my post does it say I do not like There. Second, I am intelligent enough to realize that if I don't like something, I should stay away from it. I don't need another teenager telling me what to do or how to do it, as I already have one living with me doing that. Cripes! |
I never said you disagreed with me because you did not like There. But saying that you are tired of the "pg13 crap", to me, implies that under 17 year olds in the game bring nothing of productivity to the game. That insults me. And your child is irrelevant to the subject, as well.
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Ava
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......and furthermore, why are you posting here as you will NOT be able to be a part of adult anything going on in-world for another five years?
Okay, I'm done. "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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Ava
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Give it up, Elliott. I'm having a difficult time believing you're thirteen, anyway. Go screw with someone who is willing to put up with your crap. "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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Elliott_Beazley
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| Quote (Ava @ Nov. 09 2003, 12:30 pm) | And Elliott, why is a thirteen year-old commenting about adult anything in this thread? Apparently you have a problem with There being a PG13 universe or you would not be contributing to your own delinqunecy.
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE THINK BEFORE THEY POST? I wonder what your parents would think seeing some of the things you've written here.
GONNA EXPLODE ANY MINUTE NOW..... |
Definition of Forum: A public meeting place for open discussion.
How dare you say all of my 25 replies in this post are worthless. First of all, I'm not 13--i'm 14. I don't have a problem with the pg13 aspect of There; I have a problem with people depreciating it.
If you have noticed, many of the Adult Avatars in this Forum have agreed with me on certain levels, and have changed their perspective about turning There into a divided world, somewhat.
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Elliott_Beazley
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Talking down to people younger to you is not going to help Ava; it just makes you feel "big." You need to respect everyone in this forum when you post constructive critisizm. Notice how you are the only one who has had a problem with my posts.
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Ava
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How dare I? ROFL! If I may quote your definition: "Forum: A public meeting place for open discussion".
I am openly discussing my own belief. Now, let's run along and go play nice with our little friends, shall we?
NEXT! "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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Ava
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| Quote (Elliott_Beazley @ Nov. 09 2003, 12:43 pm) | | Talking down to people younger to you is not going to help Ava; it just makes you feel "big." You need to respect everyone in this forum when you post constructive critisizm. Notice how you are the only one who has had a problem with my posts. |
My last post regarding this subject...REALLY!
My only problem with your posts is under this thread. You are way too young to be posting anything regarding this subject matter. I have a problem with you telling me HOW I feel and what I should do if I don't like it here. For God's sake, this is exactly why I have a problem with you and your age. Don't tell me what to do! That is the only problem I have, Elliott, and if you see anything further, that's your problem. "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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Elliott_Beazley
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You obviosly don't understand. The reason I posted that defintion was because you took something personal of me, and because of that, you say I shouldn't be here. I have the right to post just as much as you do. And your cute "child like" things you say to me entertain none whatsover.
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Daemona
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| Quote (Elliott_Beazley @ Nov. 08 2003, 11:54 am) | | it shouldn't be "drink, smoke, ooh that feels nice zone" |
No offense, but that is what many people want. Why are you trying to censor us just so you can be accomodated? We already censor ourselves in your presence in every other location in There. We ask for a private restricted area where we CAN cut loose and you want in that area too. Is there anywhere we can go that you DON'T want to trail along behind us like a lost puppy?
Whether your parents care or not is not my issue. I do not wish to demonstrate my perverse fetish loving darkside around minors. Heck there are many adults I don't reveal that part of myself to. This isn't about denying you some fantastic fun area it is about providing adults a safe place to express themselves. Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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Elliott_Beazley
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| Quote (Ava @ Nov. 09 2003, 12:46 pm) | | Quote (Elliott_Beazley @ Nov. 09 2003, 12:43 pm) | | Talking down to people younger to you is not going to help Ava; it just makes you feel "big." You need to respect everyone in this forum when you post constructive critisizm. Notice how you are the only one who has had a problem with my posts. |
My last post regarding this subject...REALLY!
My only problem with your posts is under this thread. You are way too young to be posting anything regarding this subject matter. I have a problem with you telling me HOW I feel and what I should do if I don't like it here. For God's sake, this is exactly why I have a problem with you and your age. Don't tell me what to do! That is the only problem I have, Elliott, and if you see anything further, that's your problem. |
Yet again, talking me down. The only reason I posted like that is because you refer to me and people of my age as "them" and "y'all." That's almost discrimination.
I'm too young, eh? What do you think I have not tried/experienced in this world?
The reason I use imperative requests is because you do the same to me. Can't you just talk to me like I am just a normal person? Let's be reasonable.
And backing out won't do anything.
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Ava
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Okay, I won't back out....I NEVER SAID "Y'ALL", FIRST OF ALL. Get your facts straight. You want to be treated equally, then act as such. If you have a problem with my posts, ignore them. Period. I will show you the same courtesy. "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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athena_m
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I don't understand why this discussion had to become personal. All members, regarless of their age, should have a right to post comments about an issue that will affect the There world. Let's keep our discussion based on the issue at hand and not throw insults at our fellow There neighbors. And if we are adults, then lets set a good example of live and let live. When life hands you lemons, stick them in your bra---it couldn't hurt, it might help!
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Ava
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What I posted originally wasn't personal. The response was an attack on my decision-making abilities...ROFL...and my common sense. It went downhill from there. If it helps any, I'm now physically ill from having to deal with Mr. Beazley. "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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Elliott_Beazley
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Sorry I guess I'm southern. You used "you." When did I not come with equality toward your posts Ava. You need to get your facts straight, as well. I am not going to ignore something that is talking about me. I voice my opinions.
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Ava
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For God's sake, Elliott, drop it already. You don't belong in an adult thread PERIOD! "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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fried_onion876
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Ok I think Elliot is a very intelligent young man from what i've seen on his posts. And as a member of the There community that gives him the right to voice his opinion on any aspect that would affect the community as a whole. So don't tell him he doesn't belong here. Don't tick me off. I'm running out of places to hide the bodies.
*Drags mackie's body to a ditch.
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evankirk
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Im going to put in more of my 2 cents here. Everyone in this thread has a point. Adults and teens. Now, I know Elliott. He is extremely smart and very articulate in the things he does. He is though, still 14 years old. It is my opinion that he and people like him bring alot to There.
Yes, we adults need a playground of our own, but I believe the issue here is seperation. Elliott doesn't want to be seperated from adults all the time. He wants to be able to be with his friends regardless of their age.
Now, if adults want a place to be themselves, there is nothing wrong with that either. I would also go there on occasion, but would like to opportunity to see Elliott also. Many others. He is my friend, my co-worker, and he is a good kid.
An adults only area is necessary, and I agree with that, but seperating us totally would only ruin part of what makes There so unique. If Dae wants a place where she doesnt have to "watch what she does or says", she should have that.
If parents want a place where they can turn their kids lose without worry, they should have that. I really do not like though, people telling Elliott he shouldnt have a right to say what he wants to say because he most certainly does. There 4 All - Community Journal
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| Quote (Daemona @ Nov. 09 2003, 12:48 pm) | | Quote (Elliott_Beazley @ Nov. 08 2003, 11:54 am) | | it shouldn't be "drink, smoke, ooh that feels nice zone" |
No offense, but that is what many people want. Why are you trying to censor us just so you can be accomodated? We already censor ourselves in your presence in every other location in There. We ask for a private restricted area where we CAN cut loose and you want in that area too. Is there anywhere we can go that you DON'T want to trail along behind us like a lost puppy?
Whether your parents care or not is not my issue. I do not wish to demonstrate my perverse fetish loving darkside around minors. Heck there are many adults I don't reveal that part of myself to. This isn't about denying you some fantastic fun area it is about providing adults a safe place to express themselves. |
Daemona you need to post my whole quote so that the whole message can be understood.
I said, "It shouldn't be drink, smoke, ooh that feels nice."
"It should be freedom"
What I am saying that if it's going to be allowed, it should be allowed for everybody. Nothing in this game could be anything that I haven't seen in real life. Enough said. Basing it on age has nothing to do with how parents feel, or how the teenager will be affected.
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Ava
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HE DOESN'T BELONG IN A DISCUSSION REGARDING SEX AND ADULT ISLANDS! Am I the only responsible adult here? I don't have a problem with his existence. I have a problem that he is posting in this subject. Does it bother no one else that he has used the word "f*ck" in its true form? It certainly bothers me. I don't think he should be in this THREAD if he is, in fact, 14 years old. Why is this a bone of contention? "....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it."
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evankirk
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He most certainly DOES belong here Ava. He is a member of this community just like you are. You have NO more right here than Elliott does. There 4 All - Community Journal
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