Pollux
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I've been away from THERE for a few weeks and recently come back on to find that most of the offerings in auctions are simply sexy clothing that's very revealing. I miss the variety. Every female avatar seems to be competing to show more and more skin. Where are the original designs that show talent and innovation? Is all it takes to look attractive a whole lot of cleavage and some carefully placed chains?
I don't want to lose the cute and sexy looks (the hotpants are very cute but are they still cute when *everyone* is wearing them?) but I'd love to see some balance and choice back in THERE's fashion areas.
Many a time I'll find an awesome looking outfit and it will be designed for a male. Not every woman wants to wear revealing clothing and it would be nice to have a wardrobe that compliment all sorts of occasions.
The current landscape is a sea of T&A that while frisky and fun can be downright boring when viewed day in and out. Any designers out there have ideas for cool clothing that isn't designed specifically to be sexy?
Understandably I don't expect any men to agree with my POV but surely there must be someone who'd like to have balance without insisting on any one type of available clothing. I browse auctions for hours and very rarely find anything that's not a carbon copy of something else.
I'm not against sexy clothes at all -- I would just love to see other types of clothing. Racing jackets are way cool etc.
Sometimes I will dress sexily but I don't see the need for it 24/7.
Any designers with new ideas out there?
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Ketae
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Sep. 2003
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I agree with you... I'm sort of tired of looking for a conservative sweater/jeans outfit for a decent price.
Too much of the stuff out there right now is just geared towards female avatars looking like "boy toys".
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I really would like to see alot more conservative desgins coming in personally... On accasion, less is more(When referring to showing skin)
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Just give us some  "Great liars are also great magicians"
"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
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Neckromacr
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Ok I'll be the one wierd guy and say we need to cut down on the "boy toy" quoteient of women's clothes in There. If only for the fact that it sends out the wrong signals.
I've seen some of the goober males out there tactlessly putting the moves on female Therians, this won't change. But perhaps if most of the clothing options weren't so revealing the boy's poor misguided and overproduced hormones wouldn't get so riled up.
Also I'd like to have a conversation with a chick without my eyes being drawn towards her "assets". And on a personal note I think one of the hottest outfits I've seen on a female avie of late is Cameron_Marie's Red Goth outfit. It dosen't reveal a whole lot, but what it does is enticing. Then again, like I said in the first place, I'm a wierd guy. 
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Pollux
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Wow -- I was bracing myself for a whippin' and didn't expect anyone to actually AGREE with me. I have to thank you for sharing your POV -- I agree on the "boy toy" thing.
I don't mind more conservative clothing at all -- the more clothing, the more area you have to work with, right? I just like a techie, girl punk look sometimes or even just something elegant or plain pretty as opposed to "sexy". Sporty is good, too. Gosh there are so many possibilities but yesterday I must have spent about an hour and a half going through auctions and feeling miserable because everything was very "Britney Spearsish".
I think you have pointed out something interesting, Neckro, with the whole thing about ogling women and giving the wrong message. I can see if your avatar is out at a nightclub or dancing or something, sexy clothing would work -- but all the time? *sigh*
PhriendlyWoman -- I am just a beginning designer, do you have any tips or could you point me in the right direction? I'd really appreciate it. By beginning I mean I just downloaded the Style Maker last night:)
Ketae I love your little graphic:) I would love to see more sweaters and things with character and personality that don't all say "Come and get me, boys!"
Thanks for your support, I hope others feel the same way and we can achieve some variety in our THERE closets:)
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Allyson
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July 2003
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I agree with you Pollux!
Yesterday I was looking at a lot of the designers' sites to see what is "pending" -- just something I'm used to doing out of habit and I came across something from Crush that I am dying to have...
< http://www.lalunadesigns.com/crush/shirts2.htm > Scroll waaaaay down to the bottom with the "pending" items and look at that sweater set. I think that is entirely too cute.
I don't point it out as an advertisement for Crush (although, I'm sure they don't mind ) but more as an example of "less isn't always more". I would LOVE to see more clothing along those lines!!
That being said -- I still have a ThereWardrobe filled with regular looking clothing  The designers in There are extremely talented and all they need to know is what we want! If there is a market for it there will always be a designer ready to take on the challenge. "I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell
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Nalora
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Sep. 2003
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I, too am a "conservative" avie. I find it hard but not impossible to find some decent things to wear. I finally was forced to buy my first pair of "hot pants" last week, but only because the design was so darling it really suited me. (It was that "Regatta" outfit----sweet!
There are several nice sweater vests, and of course the new tied oxford is sweet with a pair of jeans. The Therestock line is pretty nice for keeping the skin covered, as well. Heck I am VANILLA for a reason!
I would LOVE to see the Bermuda short and board short models released to the designers so you can get some decent shorts that are not HOT pants.
If you want to have a look at the stuff I have purchased that is conservative give me an IM in game!
(also has a running list of search words for things I have seen and have on my want list)
Nalora
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switch_79
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July 2003
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i'm not exactly the conservative type myself, but i just had to add that YES, i'd like to see some variety back in the selections of women's clothing. personally, i only own one pair of hotpants (for my undies, that i like to lounge around in when shopping at my there house, ooh lala!  )... typically, when in more public areas i stick to the pants. and lately, i browse the pants section and all i get is rows upon rows of hotpants, friggin unbelievable.
i know that pants are a little difficult to make in comparison, but MAN, what i wouldn't give for a new pair in auctions.
also, why not try shooting for original as an eye catcher, instead of sexy? i have nothing but for you designers, who devote a lot of creative time and a helluva lot more $T into your work, but please consider making more items that make a person say "wow" for reasons other than how see-thru or plunging it is. 
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PhriendlyWoman
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June 2003
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To Pollux:
In a few weeks I will be rolling out extensive tutorials, I will be sure to announce it to all.  "Some say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." -John Lennon |
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Whimsy
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Feb. 2003
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I have to admit that I do love the hot pants model, it's cute, and as a designer, it's a fun model to work with. However, it is /very/ rare for me to wear a cleavage baring shirt in There. I think I may own one or two, but it's a rare thing for me to pull them out.
I've been thinking along the same lines as everyone else here. I'm sick of seeing nothing but skin. Plus, it's Autumn here now, and I'm in the sweater wearing mode. It's definitely time to see more variety in the auctions 
This is currently in auction:
And these two are currently pending:
 
Also, you might want to look around Polly Gone Mad. Check under my name, Chiasmodus, and Sammykun. There are a lot of non cleavage baring shirts there.
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Melora
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| Quote (Whimsy @ Sep. 24 2003, 8:56 pm) | I have to admit that I do love the hot pants model, it's cute, and as a designer, it's a fun model to work with. However, it is /very/ rare for me to wear a cleavage baring shirt in There. I think I may own one or two, but it's a rare thing for me to pull them out.
I've been thinking along the same lines as everyone else here. I'm sick of seeing nothing but skin. Plus, it's Autumn here now, and I'm in the sweater wearing mode. It's definitely time to see more variety in the auctions
This is currently in auction:
And these two are currently pending:
Also, you might want to look around Polly Gone Mad. Check under my name, Chiasmodus, and Sammykun. There are a lot of non cleavage baring shirts there. |
Consider them purchased!
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Pollux
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Mar. 2003
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I LOVE That black sweater! I'm going to go buy it now.
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Pollux
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I LOVE That black sweater! I'm going to go buy it now.
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Allyson
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July 2003
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Whimsy -- adorable! I already have the black sweater --- the others are nice as well! Awesome awesome job.
Raven -- You bunch at Crush are doing great as well! I can't wait to see what rolls out next! "I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell
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bobita228
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I love those outfits! But you are absolutely right. There seems to be an abundance of very sexy clothing for women. And hey....they're great, but it doesn't always have to be about the cleavage or skin! Something like Whimsy's design is perfect, and hey, it's STILL sexy! I hope to see more of these! And like Whimsy said...its sweater time, so its time to bundle up! A while back we talked about what type of other "environments" we would like to see in There. And that would be great if they could do a Winter one, or Fall....or one for all seasons, can you imagine if you could click to select on a pile of leaves to "jump around" or go skiing? More room for more outfits! I'm all for it!
Sooo.....what were we talking about again? Oh yeah.....sexy clothing. I think I put my 2 cents in. 
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Ketae
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Sep. 2003
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Lovely designs Phriendly... I'll be browsing the auctions in anticipation should you submit these or something along the same line in the future! "Great liars are also great magicians"
"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
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glissy
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Aug. 2003
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I, too, love the sexy clothing, but it just doesn't feel right wearing it any other time than, say, when you are being sexy, like attending a party, or riding a bike, or whatever else. (for the record, i rather loathe hotpants)
What -I- wish we women had was more loose fitting things. You know, big fluffy sweaters, comfortable sweatshirts, loose pants, ANYTHING to get past all that skintight. i mean, i hardly ever wear skintight pants in the real world. (but having truly skintight pants, and not flares, would be wonderful for all my weird designs!
i mean, if guys can have hoodies and thug gloves.. why can't we women? with that said, i, also have a sort of "fall-winter" line, but most of my ideas are kind of squashed from lack of looser, fluffier clothes. expect beanies. lots of beanies. i <3 beanies. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
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Cherub
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Aug. 2003
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I've found lots of cute Stylemaker tops that don't overdo boobage.  I personally only wear hot pants as bathing suit bottoms when I'm chilling by the water or something, but that's just me. They seem funny to me as part of a regular outfit, but I kinda dress my av similar to how I dress irl, and I hate shorts (I like skirts and dresses actually!! ).
I really like Whimsy's stuff!! I already have a couple items from her and I adore that orangey-rust sweater!!
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Pollux
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Mar. 2003
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| Quote (glissy @ Sep. 25 2003, 2:35 am) | | What -I- wish we women had was more loose fitting things. You know, big fluffy sweaters, comfortable sweatshirts, loose pants, ANYTHING to get past all that skintight. |
I noticed this in the real world as well with the advent of the babydoll T shirt. Now a lot of sites list the good old regular T shirt as a piece of Men's clothing and the babydoll T shirt is the woman's T shirt. What's up with that? Not everyone can wear a babydoll T and still look nice. I have chunky arms so that's not going to work for me. Just look at thinkgeek.com for some examples. They're called "Ladies T's". I really don't understand why everything a woman wears has to be form fitting or tight to the body. We're not freaking pieces of meat we're people. And we do like baggy or loose comfprtble clothing.
This stuff reminds me of the days of the corset when women were incapacitated and couldn't breathe in them. Then we have high heeled shoes (which men stopped wearing after the Napoleonic era) which also are restrive and cause problems.
Why does female fashion have to be so ridiculously uncomfortable and tight? Men get to wear all sorts of love outfits. even bathing suits -- men can wear big shorts (Trunks) in a pool but women HAVE to wear skimpy panties? WHY?
Did you see the coverage on the butts of these designs, too? They pretty much cover your crack and that's about it. I personally don't see the point in bothering to cover that much if everything else is already hanging out. I'm an all or nothing sort of girl.
The idea for different seasons is GREAT! You can even have fashionable umbrellas for rainy days and cute ski outfits for the slopes!
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Whimsy
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Feb. 2003
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Thanks!!!
Phriendly, those are simply adorable!!! I'll definitely be getting them.
Oh, and I would LOVE to have an area of There that looks like Fall... I'd probably end up spending all of my time there.
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BOINCer
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Aug. 2003
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Some of the outfits are unbelievably hot! I spend half my time in world wiping the droll off my shoes. It would be nice to be able to talk an Avie with focusing on her boobs.
I'm not saying that I don't love 'em, I’m saying I might be able to talk about more than their clothes if I could get eyes and mind off of them. I know, I'm a pig! Can't help it.
I've noticed that when I complement one lady on her hot outfit someone in the group has to one-up her and put on something even hotter! Often it turns into a fashion show. 
I guess what I'm seeing is that some ladies really like showing their Avie stuff, while some in this thread seem to think it is over the top. I guess the main issue is availability of clothes for both ways of dressing. Am I close? BOINCer, but you may call me Bo
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Troz
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July 2003
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I've wanted to design some nice, sexy but still pretty conservative clothing for women (ie-sweaters) but would anyone actually buy that stuff? I'm scared of submitting cause I fear it'll be a waste of T$... 
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Pollux
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Mar. 2003
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On one hand it's about respect but on the other some women don't value respect as much as they value male approval. That's how I see it. It's fun to look sexy sometimes but it's all about teasing men and having men say we look good because face it, women's entire worth is based on their looks, not the things they're capable of. As you said, you stare at a virtual character's breasts. The fact that they're not real breasts doesn't matter -- would you stare at a well endowed woman in real life as well? That's about respect.
If all of a sudden showing skin or having big breasts was considered ugly, you could watch how fast women would run to cover up. You know how women change to satisfy what men demand of them. It's sad, really.
If I wear sexy clothing it's not because I want to stay at home and look at myself in a mirror, it's all about approval from others. And some people are not as attractive in real life so this is their chance to look sexy to guys (who also probably aren't Adonis's).
Me, I don't need to look sexy, I already have a man LOL:)
I am not about to take away the sexy clothing but variety is the spice of life and if you always saw sexy stuff it gets to the point where it doesn't mean anything anymore -- people get numbed to it. That's why they say that it's not such a big deal to see naked women on TV in Europe, because it's commonplace.
As for avatars there is no way I am peeking to see if a male avatar's "package" is bulging "enough" -- I mean why would I be staring at some pixels like that anyway? It's not sexy, it's a cartoon. It's not real. I just don't get what men see at all. They seem to not mind if it's all imagined or not. Oh well.
But like someone else up there said, it's a respect thing as well as a choice thing. At least that's how I see it.
Women = ornaments
men = instruments
Someday that might change. I sure hope so.
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Ara
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April 2003
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I get your points!
i started designing boobed clothing cause its the "IN" and its a best seller!! w00t!!
But i think speaking or my gals that wearing sexy clothign is the only freedom we can get! In real life i wouldnt wear a Boobied top in a date! Its all about being sexy in there! Its how you get men... (im not 100% sure)
It increases self confidence since we can show how big our
t!ts are!! MUAHAHAHA!
Ara
Cheerleaders Kick Ass!!
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Pollux
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Mar. 2003
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| Quote (Troz @ Sep. 25 2003, 10:00 am) | | I've wanted to design some nice, sexy but still pretty conservative clothing for women (ie-sweaters) but would anyone actually buy that stuff? I'm scared of submitting cause I fear it'll be a waste of T$... |
I would buy nice sweaters even if they RAE NOT sexy. I don't exist as a woman or as an avie to BE a sex object. I am me and I want to express other things besides my sexuality. I think many women feel that way or at least would like to have a choice in the matter.
By designers only ever offering sexy stuff it tells us that women have to be sexy all the time and that's a crock.
Choic is good. It is a sad shame that you and maybe other designers feel that you may be wasting money on it. I understand your concerns, really. But I guess a waterfall starts with just one drop of water.
I am going to spend my T$ designing nifty duds that aren't expressly sexy (and that does not equal frumpy or dowdy, either) once THERE gives me my bonus T$ for joining. That way I will have stuff to wear even if no one else makes any, lol:) Let's start a revolution.
No one's taking away the sexy clothes, let's just add choice.
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Nalora
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Sep. 2003
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| Quote (Whimsy @ Sep. 24 2003, 7:56 pm) | I have to admit that I do love the hot pants model, it's cute, and as a designer, it's a fun model to work with. However, it is /very/ rare for me to wear a cleavage baring shirt in There. I think I may own one or two, but it's a rare thing for me to pull them out.
I've been thinking along the same lines as everyone else here. I'm sick of seeing nothing but skin. Plus, it's Autumn here now, and I'm in the sweater wearing mode. It's definitely time to see more variety in the auctions
This is currently in auction:
And these two are currently pending:
Also, you might want to look around Polly Gone Mad. Check under my name, Chiasmodus, and Sammykun. There are a lot of non cleavage baring shirts there. |
Bought that the first day it was put up!!! Just DARLING on!!!
Nalora
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Troz
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July 2003
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''yay! Those are the EXACT types of clothing I was considering for my women's line...hehehe, line. I've gotten like TWO drawn up...
How do ya'll get the details to look so crisp? Everytime I do lines they are CRAZY blurry...
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Whimsy
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Feb. 2003
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awww.. Thank you, Nalora!
Troz, I use a flat tone, and then I use the blinds effect (PSP 7.. but I'm sure PS has something similar) to make it look ribbed. Make sure that you save your jpg file to have maximum quality.. 100% if your paint progam allows it.
The Racing Jacket mesh is also good for sweaters. I made this one this morning using it:
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Ibizza
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Sep. 2003
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aww.. this is soo cute. I prefer those "sexy" clothes, but this is really awesome Whimsy.  Just a free spirit in her own dreamland....
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Pollux
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Mar. 2003
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"But i think speaking or my gals that wearing sexy clothign is the only freedom we can get! In real life i wouldnt wear a Boobied top in a date! Its all about being sexy in there! Its how you get men... (im not 100% sure)
It increases self confidence since we can show how big our
t!ts are!!"
You are kidding, right? Freedom? "t!ts" (is masking allowed here?)? "It's all about being sexy...it's how you get men."
It is a fallacy that being half naked increases a w | | | |
you Mackie