Spliff
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This is the one you get automatically, can refill for free, and can drop your couches (etc.) in. What do you think of them as they are currently... good or bad?
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Spliff
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Jan. 2003
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Disgusted with the Casual Portazone
I'm disgusted with the Casual PortaZone. This is the one you get automatically and can refill for free. The size is good, the price is right but there are two serious defects with them that are spoiling my fun a lot.
1) You cannot place ramps in them.
- You should be able to place at least one ramp in a Casual Portazone. This takes all the fun out of being able to go into the middle of the desert and placing a ramp to jump off of etc. Please allow ramps to be placed in them. I own several of them and I am NOT going to purchase a larger portazone just to use these ramps. Plus I'm not ready to start paying to refill said larger portazone.
2) They need to be refilled every FOUR hours.
- Quite frankly, this is ridiculous. They should only need to be refilled after 24 hours (or more) of use. It's too annoying to have all your stuff returned to inventory (regardless if the setup is saved) every time I go to sleep at night. I would tolerate a 24 hour refill requirement though since my stuff would still be there when I wake up.
Otherwise these are great. Please fix these issue, There, ASAP, because a lot of people are ticked about this. I have also posted < this > on the official forums. Thank you for reading this.
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Oz11
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Sep. 2003
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The idea is a pretty good one, to be able to put some stuff in and just whip it out and it be ready to use. However I agree, you should be able to use atleast ONE ramp, I was going to buy a ramp, but decided not to because of the fact that I couldn't use it, and I'm sure other people feel the same way, so in fact these are driving people away from buying things which is bad for There, right?
Four hours seems too short to me also, I don't know about 24 hours, that would be great, and I wouldn't complain if they did that, but would the Large Portazones be 64 hours then?
Another thing I don't like about the Casual Portazones is the drop limit 5 items is hardly even close to enough, even though it would be hard to fit much more in there, you could always stack them, but with only a limit of 5...
I voted Fair, there are some major improvements to be made, and reading the chat log I think There realizes this, hopefully things will be fixed or tweaked. "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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Blaster
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June 2003
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The whole portazone concept is to eliminate the clutter that everyone was complaining about. I'm sure a whole lot of effort went into implementing the system but not a lot of thought was put into the design. It has eliminated ALL dropping, not just the annoying clutter that we wanted gone. The free zones are too small for anything but a couch, and anything big enough to hold a ramp is expensive. Did There really need to put a tax on one of the fun features?(of course, any way to make a buck) They should keep the ability to save a setup like zones currently allow. But, they should get rid of the zones as they are and find a better solution to clutter.
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Oz11
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Sep. 2003
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Another good feature would be the ability to host an event inside a portazone, no matter WHAT the size, if I want 50 people in my little tiny portazone that has only building blocks and bonzi tree in it I should be allowed to dangit!! Think of all the nice places you could have parties too, there are some great locations people have set up with Portazones. And hopefully they'll stop screwing us over with these prices on the larger ones so we don't have to use our tiny ones for parties, if they do allow even hosting in them. And if they only allow event hosting for larger portazones... '''mad 'curse "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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Wesley222
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Sep. 2003
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I think its a great idea....... casual portazones were given for free and refills are free. Can't ask for much more.
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Troz
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July 2003
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I like the FREE aspect of it, but only 5 items? Kind of dissapointed me, so I bought a Medium...good idea for new huys though! T$ is VERY precious when you're new.
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tempest
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Mar. 2003
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I could ask to be allowed to stick a Ramp inside them
They do a great job of keeping the cluttter down - and the larges one seem to be producing some interesting results.
They are unfair on those people that used to layout ramps and stuff - it;d changed the nature of some places - Esp the boneyard for the worst
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Troz
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July 2003
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I hate that the boneyard won't have ramps. That place is so fun! I wanna say CONGRATS to all ya'll who are making AWESOME creations in your large PAZs.  Keep up the GREAT work ya'll! 
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Akia
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June 2003
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If we must use the portable zones, the free one should hold more objects, 5 is certainly not enough. It should also be bigger.
The large zone should have unlimited objects
I do not see where the portable zones have cut down on the trash, if anything there are houses and stuff everywhere now.
Hopefully There can come to a happy medium  I want to build freely again!
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mister_cutie
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May 2003
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PAZ's are ass. Good grief. I bought a whole bunch of 3D objects which are virtually useless now. Lame.
The ant hill I was occupying is not compatible with a large PAZ ane the medium doesnt fill it. Weak. There should refund our money on 3D item purchases.
Also the large needs to be unlimitted objects so we can build a roman set up to the There Heavens. Instead I would rather portazones just disappeared into obscurity like Tiny Tim did.
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kanzaki
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June 2003
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More time is my only issue with the casul zones... You'd be hard pressed to fit more than 5 objects in them anyway, and you can always list a conversation to hold an event in one. 
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Spliff
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Jan. 2003
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Yeah you should be able to contruct portazones on uneven ground as well!!! There are too many areas where you are NOT allowed to contruct portazones. This needs to change. People need more latitude in their ability to be creative.
mister_cutie, they DO kinda suck the way they are, but before portazones you couldn't really create anything in world without them constantly being returned to inventory right away due to "server load". This frustration is what prompted the idea of portazone's in the first place... since objects in the portazones do not get returned to inventory. Of course it's always possible there could be a better way.
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Neckromacr
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Sep. 2003
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I think Portazones are a good idea quite frankly, but they're also a *new* idea which will naturally have some rough edges. As a first attempt I think it was nobel but flawed, but hey... that's why we're beta testers right?
I think there should be only one type of Portazone, but instead of droping a big square of your territory somewhere but make the boundries defineable. Perhaps using your avie to walk where you want your points at and "dropping" a boundry pole. Thus making Porta zones useable in areas that aren't perfect squares and eliminating having to pick up and drop your PAZ if you didn't get in 'just the spot" you wanted. Also to add to this idea of a variable Portazone make the cost of keeping it open and the number of dropable items directly connected to the area of your designated PAZ. So if you just want to fill in your front yard it won't cost an arm and a leg, but also it'll be prohibitive from people consuming an entire valley since it would cost them 278623150671501647896T$ an hour to keep it open.
And I think the issue of placing PAZs in covered un used areas needs to be addresed since those of us that used to squat in barren gazebos, caves etc can no longer do so because when you go to place furniture down they're invisible until you try and place them in an uncovered part of your PAZ.
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Spliff
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Jan. 2003
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| Quote (Neckromacr @ Sep. 18 2003, 6:30 pm) | I think Portazones are a good idea quite frankly, but they're also a *new* idea which will naturally have some rough edges. As a first attempt I think it was nobel but flawed, but hey... that's why we're beta testers right?
I think there should be only one type of Portazone, but instead of droping a big square of your territory somewhere but make the boundries defineable. Perhaps using your avie to walk where you want your points at and "dropping" a boundry pole. Thus making Porta zones useable in areas that aren't perfect squares and eliminating having to pick up and drop your PAZ if you didn't get in 'just the spot" you wanted. Also to add to this idea of a variable Portazone make the cost of keeping it open and the number of dropable items directly connected to the area of your designated PAZ. So if you just want to fill in your front yard it won't cost an arm and a leg, but also it'll be prohibitive from people consuming an entire valley since it would cost them 278623150671501647896T$ an hour to keep it open.
And I think the issue of placing PAZs in covered un used areas needs to be addresed since those of us that used to squat in barren gazebos, caves etc can no longer do so because when you go to place furniture down they're invisible until you try and place them in an uncovered part of your PAZ. |
That was exactly what I originally had in mind for what the portazones should be like.  Although I think you should be alotted a certain amount of variable portazone space free (for newbs, and thrifty peeps).
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Pebble
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Feb. 2003
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I'm pretty happy with my free casual portazone, but I find it a bit too small and the interface could be improved. I also find it strange that furniture is now kept in the MY THINGS menu, but may only be accessed through the THIS PLACE menu. Admittedly this probably happened because the furniture paradigm was rethought in mid-stream. Oh well. I'm having fun with my Portazone.
I think they help keep the clutter to a minimum. I actually like the 4-hour lifespan (rather than something longer) as it's about the length of a long night in There for me. Others may find that time limit too short.
Clearly, it's a good first stab at the concept but will require some fine tuning.
Peb When the world has no word for "love", a silent hug must serve.
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Nalora
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Sep. 2003
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I am getting used to them now and I am just biding my time to see if the kinks get worked out. Would like to see the number of items in casual increased, esp for the small placeables.
Nalora
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Simone
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Sep. 2003
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I agree with all the post. I do like the PAZ idea they are on the right track on having it for us. I do think that they need to rethink how they work as many of you have addressed already there are some glitches and some things that need worked out. We just need to keep giving our feedback to There and hope they hear us. 
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BOINCer
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Aug. 2003
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| Quote (Blaster @ Sep. 17 2003, 11:44 pm) | | The whole portazone concept is to eliminate the clutter that everyone was complaining about. I'm sure a whole lot of effort went into implementing the system but not a lot of thought was put into the design. It has eliminated ALL dropping, not just the annoying clutter that we wanted gone. The free zones are too small for anything but a couch, and anything big enough to hold a ramp is expensive. Did There really need to put a tax on one of the fun features?(of course, any way to make a buck) They should keep the ability to save a setup like zones currently allow. But, they should get rid of the zones as they are and find a better solution to clutter. |
In some areas PAZ is causing more clutter! People are setting up large ones and building houses in them. I believe Zephyr is one I recently noted. It use to be a busy place with ramps, but now they are not allow, but a house is going up and is in the way!
I don't mind the size of the smaller ones or the number of items, but I would like to see them with the option to auto-renew after 4 hours. I don't even want the 24 hour option.
What I would like is for all items in the personal PAZ to be in one conversation group. If you put a chair and a couch, they don't enter the same conversation group and the bubbles are dim making them hard to read. This has always been a problem, but could be fixed if within the same small zone. BOINCer, but you may call me Bo
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The_White_Light
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Mar. 2003
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I haven't found much use for my Casual one, but then again, I haven't really tried much either. There Catalog
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The_White_Light
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Mar. 2003
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I don't have as much that is now useless to me, that happened when they put the sign limit up. I have somewhere around 45 signs, and I can only use like 4 of them. There Catalog
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Oz11
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Sep. 2003
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I like two ideas that boincer kinda braught up, the auto-renew would be good because its free anyway, so why not auto-renew it? Also this would give more time than 4 hours, but you could still do 24 hours also, and if it auto-renewed while you were offline you also wouldn't loose your build when the server goes down or when you go to sleep. The chat convo idea could have two ways of going, anyone/everyone on a chair/couch nearby is in the chat (would be good) or everyone/anyone who is in the portazone is in a chat (could be bad). It would be like a little personal chat room almost, the upside is it'd be great for events, or for just some friends hanging out without having to all sit close, the bad side would be if you get bubble overflow. The best way to go I guess would be with whoever is sitting on a peice of furniture nearby would be in the chat convo, this is something that should be done EVERYWHERE though, inside houses too. The standing chat convos go up to 12 (sometimes), so the chair convos should too, there are places to do this, but it'd be nice to be able to do it inside a house without having to rearange furniture a certain way. Sorry went a little off topic there. "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
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Kevin_McVeigh
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Aug. 2003
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So many comments, where to start. Well, first of all, I guess some of you haven't been to the boneyard lately. Someone has put up an awesome 5 ramp jump and it is flawless!
Much  for that builder! '''yay. So people are willing to pay the expense of dropping their fun items. However, that does not excuse the atrocity that is the porta-zone.
I am sure that There knows the precise dimensions of There objects, and I have no reason to doubt they made the casual zone just slightly too small for a ramp. What these porta-zones are in essence, is a fun tax. They are taxing us on anything we want to do in the way of activity. It seems, that the only thing free anymore is chat. And I fear that if There finds some way to tax chat, they will do so.
Porta-zones have not eliminated griefers nor have they eliminated "clutter". They have, instead, elminated "fun".
Only due to the generosity of a few wealthy members have we seen cool things return. Yet, there are still signs, books, and flags littering the landscape. Not as bad as they once were, but that's not due to porta-zones. Kevin McVeigh
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BOINCer
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Aug. 2003
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| Quote (The_White_Light @ Sep. 19 2003, 12:47 pm) | | I don't have as much that is now useless to me, that happened when they put the sign limit up. I have somewhere around 45 signs, and I can only use like 4 of them. |
Want to sell one? It might be fun to play with. How much ya want? I assume I can change the wording and move them around as I wish. BOINCer, but you may call me Bo
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the_one
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im currently designing a ramp that can go anywhere i figured if the hammocks and a few other things can ill make ramps that can
im kinda new to designing and any help would be apreciated
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Static84
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July 2003
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I have 2 issues/suggestions with portazones ...
1. The fact that portazones cannot be dropped in certain places. For example ... one of my clubhouses is a "no portazone" area all around it. This means no decorating my yard with all the yard items i have bought. This could be solved by possibly making a certain area outside part of the clubhouse ... or making a designated area outside clubhouses able to drop portazones in.
Along with this is the fact that they cannot intersect other "zones." I can no longer decorate the roof of my house
2. More of a suggestion I ran across last night. When chatting outside with a group of friends we had a problem with a griefer continualy shouting obsceneties and running his buggy into our chat group. What would be nice is if your ignores could not enter your PAZ, or you had the option to remove people from it. It would have been so nice to plop down a PAZ ... throw the loser on iggy ... and move the group inside the zone. I can see how this could be abused though ... any suggestions on this idea?
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glissy
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Aug. 2003
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get rid of portazones altogether and let us drop stuff again? :/ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
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SmokeTheFly
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June 2003
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they look so ugly,are they invisible to others?
we all got one for free tho?
I dont remember I have been too busy in RL to show the time there needs.
it could be a lil more quicker paced with building or earning, we are not in an era where everyone can spend all day designing clothes for a cyber world community marketplace.
there could be so many new ways to make money...
I think they should open there for public enterprize where individuals can get the account because they like to go shopping on there too,sometimes they bump into pals and chat.
15 mins later the doorbell rings and your goods have arrived,lol.
btw hi all!!!
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Spliff
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Jan. 2003
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In addition to the PortaZones, they should allow you to drop items anywhere just like before, but have those items subject to the possibility of being returned to inventory due to "server load". So basically if you want to place a sign on top of a narrow ledge, then your sign might be returned. However if you pick relatively flat ground and put your sign in a portazone, it would be protected. Why can't we have it both ways?
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Cytra
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Aug. 2003
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I love my tiny Port a Zone! 4 hours is plenty for me  Especially if the refills are free! They are perfect for throwing out that couch when you find a nice spot to hang out and chat, and the setup remains the same each time which is awesome. AND because of the time limit, no world clutter!
My beef is with the large portazones!! I had to write this cute little book titled PAZ GO AWAY! just to get some dude to move his portazone that he had plopped RIGHT in front of my house, ruining my ocean view. It's not like I can move my house! I think people should just be able to buy plots of land and build on those rather than be able to throw them anywhere they please. And if not, then perhaps large PAZ owners should respect house owners and other people around them. Neighbours are great! But everyone is sharing the same space and they must be respected.
BTW, I throw a couple books for my site here and there and no PAZ is required. We tested with Signs as well with no troubles. I think THERE knows what they are doing, and I have to agree with how they are doing things. My fun level hasn't gone down in any way.
Cytra
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Neckromacr
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Sep. 2003
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My beef now is the fact that home owners with porches have to use PAZs. I know, I know, probably done to death already, but since getting my little tent house on Ootay the prob;em has hit home since I have this massize porch, but most of it goes unused because its covered. And anyone who's tried to place objects under a covered area knows the object is place *on top* of the object like its falling from your invrentory in the heavens above.
There needs to address this issue because house owners are already paying jacked up prices vs a PAZ. Why not designate the plot of land around the house as a dropping zone for the owner?
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JARRETT
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Feb. 2003
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never used it!!! I wish we could drop more in our larger PAZ though!!!! Restricts my creativity!
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Shroud
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Sep. 2003
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I HATE THESE ZONES!! We should be able to drop where ever.
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you Mackie 