Daemona
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Feb. 2003
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I seriously try to run the mafia clubs with our main focus being giving back to the There community. I am wanting to know what the There community thinks about paintball hit contracts. Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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WaterSign
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Feb. 2003
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They personally don't bother me, though I don't speak for everyone. What bothers me is that you don't like people fighting back, don't allow it, and whine about your entire "charity organization" being stalked.
WaterSign
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Hush
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April 2003
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Can't say I care or know much about them.. they do seem kinda lame though.
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Daemona
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Feb. 2003
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| Quote (WaterSign @ June 16 2003, 3:47 am) | | What bothers me is that you don't like people fighting back, don't allow it, and whine about your entire "charity organization" being stalked. |
We officially roleplay with Randra's There_PD and would love to start roleplaying battles with Elvis' club FBI. Please contact those clubs if you would like to take a bite out of crime. I can't say they will accept you as I do not speak for those clubs. But it's worth a shot. Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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CrystalShard
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Feb. 2003
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I seriously dislike the entire idea. I just cant think of "assasinations" as funny, no matter how harmless or playful it all is. Its not really the act itself as is the general concept that makes me feel extremly uneasy.
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fs454
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April 2003
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nah its all fun, i like em
*goes into a corner and cries about backdoor no longer working* heh
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bearclaw
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April 2003
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I go into There to escape from reality for a while and chat with friends. The last thing I need to see is a bunch of avatars running around with GUNS. Hell, I might as well move back to Los Angeles. Here am I, voyager into life.
Tough are the soles that tread the knife's edge.
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Daemona
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Feb. 2003
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Yeah i love the escapism in There as well. That's probably why I like paintball so much, I'd never spend that much money irl to do it! Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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meghan_elisabeth
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April 2003
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'Hits' I really think have to agree with some of the other posts. It's really lame, what does it prove? Settle your issues by talking. We don't need to make There a dark and unfriendly place.
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Daemona
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Feb. 2003
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On Friday night I will make my decision based on the votes tallied up until that point. Get your friends in client to Thereuniverse to vote on this if they feel strongly one way or the other! Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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Sigyn
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April 2003
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Well, I thought the whole idea was kind of funny until recently. A friend had a "hit" carried out on her the other day.  She'd already had a REALLY bad day IRL, between a relative dying and someone she knew was in hospital (not to mention other problems). Then she accepted a summons and got "whacked" repeatedly when she popped. She was so upset... So, I guess it's "all fun and games until..." you really get your feelings hurt.
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Daemona
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Feb. 2003
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I'd like to know which renegade mafia member is carrying out unauthorized hits. I received no emails from either of my two capos who can authorize them, so someone is being a naughty little hitman. I will pay t$ for details of this hit. Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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Brand
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June 2003
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Isn't that just griefing for pay? I fail to see how that kind of thing adds enjoyment to the game for anyone but the person doing the griefing. I'm already concerned what will happen once the game goes public and the abusers flood into it with the masses. I've only been playing a couple of days and already had to teleport out of an area because some jerk thought repeated ramming their hoverboard into my buggy making it impossible for me to drive was a great way to pass the time.
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Squeaker
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Feb. 2003
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But what about the person who sees you guys doing it and feels that "it's all in fun and games"? I can think of a few people that I have met in There who it would darn near destroy their self-esteem if they had one of those "hits" carried out on them (doesn't matter if it was authorized or not).
Daemona, I respect you, I really do. But I feel that you could take a better (ie. more adult) stand on this kind of behavior (with Watersign and with the Mafia).....and yes this paragraph goes for Watersign as well.
And I personally would pay a lot more than 25 therebucks to see a debate between the two  "The mind is not a book, to be opened at will and examined at leisure. Thoughts are not etched on the inside of skills, to be perused by any invader. The mind is a complex and many-layered thing, Potter - or at least, most minds are."
-Severus Snape
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queen_kbc
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June 2003
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 is all I have to say! Queen
'Vanilla smile and a gorgeous strawberry kiss...' The Cure
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Twiddler
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April 2003
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Can the mafia go too far?
< http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/6018777.htm >
``They show up at your house and they request protection money. `You have to pay me 100,000 simolians if you don't want your house torn down.' It's technically harassment.''
Twiddler
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meghan_elisabeth
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April 2003
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Why should stopping Mafia hits need to be decided upon? Dude have common courtesy and stop them. They are just plan stupid and immature. Grow up people.
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heylee
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May 2003
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These "hits" are all for fun. It isnt for greifing. I can see the hits being bad for the "children" for as I could care less if anyone hits me or not. It's a GAME.
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heylee
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May 2003
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| Quote (Sigyn @ June 17 2003, 2:15 pm) | | Well, I thought the whole idea was kind of funny until recently. A friend had a "hit" carried out on her the other day. She'd already had a REALLY bad day IRL, between a relative dying and someone she knew was in hospital (not to mention other problems). Then she accepted a summons and got "whacked" repeatedly when she popped. She was so upset... So, I guess it's "all fun and games until..." you really get your feelings hurt. |
Sorry about your friend but if I had a relative just die, I personally would not be online playing a game.
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WaterSign
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Feb. 2003
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That's a pretty heartless thing to say, Heylee. How old are you?
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Anubis
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Feb. 2003
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| Quote (WaterSign @ June 18 2003, 3:49 am) | That's a pretty heartless thing to say, Heylee. How old are you?
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I agree dude.
Heylee, that's a bit of a touchy subject, mate. You're way of dealing with something like that might be a bit different to other people's. Which was exactly what you're saying, but It just came across a bit cold
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Deathany
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June 2003
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Some of us have made some really good friends in There. If I had a really bad day or if someone close to me died, I just might log in to say hi to my friends and let them console me and make me feel better.
There isn't a game-- it's an online community. Growing relationships is what it's all about.
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Deathany
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June 2003
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Daemona,
At first, I thought the mafia idea was kinda cute, but the more I thought about it, the more I felt it was just a form of griefing. I think if two people are having issues with each other, they should work it out themselves or get a helper involved. Hiring someone to summon an avatar to a paintgun zone, shoot them, and snap a screenshot is pretty lame and childish. It's not like it makes a real impact on the avatar's skill level or social standing.
No one has ever *really* pissed me off in There yet, but if someone had and I really wanted to seek revenge, hiring the mafia wouldn't satisfy me.
Now that turning the force field on or off is an option, you guys will just need to get more sneaky about it, or it might just backfire.
Someone else mentioned sensitive people. You can't know what a person is going through or how he/she will react to your taking a hit out on them. You might unintentionally be causing someone a great deal of stress and anger. Is that really the kind of behavior we want to encourage?
And what if someone takes the hit personally and wants revenge? Will you allow them to take a shot at you? What if they're really sneaky about it and they get you? Will you be good-natured about it and laugh it off, or will you get steamed? Seems to me that you can't have it both ways. I guess the Golden Rule should be in effect in this case.
Besides, now that There, Inc. is cracking down on abuse, we don't need a mafia. It's not like you guys can do something the helpers can't. I just don't see any use in continuing this "service".
Since we're talking about it, how many hits have you guys performed? What is the most common reaction? What's the weirdest reaction? When you're hired, do you ask questions to understand the situation, or do you just do the job regardless of whether you agree with the person hiring you or not?
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Techzen
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Feb. 2003
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My opinion on this matter is that the mafia hits are griefing.
If someone does not wish to participate in this and they are "hit" it is griefing.
I went to an event awhile back hosted by the anti-social club (I believe). This event was set up so members could be matched up with someone to hunt down and shoot. Someone else was given your name and would hunt you down and shoot you. It was an all weekend event.
If the mafia(or any club or member) wants to do hits they should get permission first. They could send out an e-mail asking if the person wants to do this kind of role-playing before they accept the hit. Or they could do it with the members of other clubs who understand this is part of being in that club.
Way back when, I joined the TPD. It wasn't Randra's group, it was the other one. Randra's group only had two members, wasn't active and the other one was recruiting and active. Hiteckart set up a website and we had meetings. We started keeping an eye out for mafia members and their activities. I thought it would be fun doing some role-playing but it turned ugly quick. This was before Daemona was the Don of the mafia. The old Don posted on Hiteckart's site blasting and cursing us. Made all kinds of nasty threats, and I realized this wasn't going to be fun, mutual role-playing.I thought we were going to play together like the mafia and Randra's TPD does, I was wrong. I left that group shortly after that because I was maxed out on clubs and had some others I had to join.
My point is, that if the mafia is going to dish it out then they have to take it. If they want to do "hits" they need to understand they are inviting griefing. Personally I think they are asking for it just by using the name "mafia". Someone calls it griefing, the mafia calls it a "hit". The mafia may call it stalking, someone else calls it re-con. A club can't make up rules for roleplay and expect all the members of There to follow them.
If I decided to go out and shoot some member for the hell of it, it would be griefing. If someone set up a club, that to become a member, you had to go shoot "Theremember" and take a screen shot of it once a week. I'm sure that member wouldn't be asking if this is griefing.
What if I want to start a club called "Club Rumors"? The members could get together and start rumors about non members. We could slander people just for fun to see how many people would believe it. We could see how big the rumors would grow. We wouldn't be doing it to be mean, it would just be a social experiment. We could make up the rules and everyone else would have to live with them. If a member doesn't like the rumors we start about them, then that is their problem. It's just a game.
I don't think so.
Honestly I don't see how the mafia can get away with doing "hits". They promote it as a way to get back at people you don't like. That is griefing. And that is breeding hatred and hostility. The only one that wins is the mafia in this situation. And that is only in the short term. If someone who didn't like me took a hit out on me, it would be war! In in this case you kill the messenger too. Now is this what we want There to turn into? Is this a family friendly enviorment?
We are supposed to be building a community. We are creating the foundation of There. I applaud Daemona for reconcidering "hits". I also applaud Watersign for standing up for himself. I hope the community grows from this experience. Sorry if I hurt any feelings, I'm just speaking my mind.
Flame on. 
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Deathany
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June 2003
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Now that I've opened my big mouth, I'm wanting to take it all back. I've been browsing other threads, and I didn't know a bunch of this stuff was going on. I'm not trying to make enemies here, and I'm not taking sides.
I only somewhat knew about the hits, but I guess I hadn't put much thought into them. I guess I always understood The Mafia as a group of people that like to hang out and have fun-- a group of badasses if you will. It seems that this is the club's primary objective anyway, which is cool.
I've stated my opinion about the hits and I still believe them, but I have nothing against Daemona and her club. I just think the hits are uncalled for.
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queen_kbc
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June 2003
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| Quote (heylee @ June 18 2003, 12:20 am) | | Sorry about your friend but if I had a relative just die, I personally would not be online playing a game. |
Heylee, thanks for your support there sister!  Sometimes There is a good stress relief from reality, that is why I hang out late at night or anytime for that matter in There. I have met lots of close friends, and I am glad I have. I used to be all for "hits" until I was hit, for no reason and no justification that I know of to this day. I'm a fan of if you have something to say, then say it to me, I'm a big girl. Don't be a chicken and paintball my ass.
-Kell Queen
'Vanilla smile and a gorgeous strawberry kiss...' The Cure
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Squeaker
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Feb. 2003
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In other games I have found friends that are as dear to me as friends I've had since early childhood. I've met people in games who when my motherboard and CPU blew up last year, I had four different people from my guild offer to send me replacement parts that were way better than what I had lost. When Damico's (my RL fiance who also is in There) family went through some really hard times last year, his friends from Texas were some of his best confidants, and when my mother died a few years back it was my friend in Sweden who helped keep my head on straight.
My point is that not only is There a big stress relever but ometimes when someone close to you dies, it is a necessity to be able to put that out of your mind for short periods of time not to mention that person who lost a relative may have friends in There that were helping her through that. "The mind is not a book, to be opened at will and examined at leisure. Thoughts are not etched on the inside of skills, to be perused by any invader. The mind is a complex and many-layered thing, Potter - or at least, most minds are."
-Severus Snape
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Daemona
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Feb. 2003
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I have heard you Thereians! Loud and clear. From here on out you will have to worry about any "hits" from my side of the pond. If any of my members do conduct a hit please let me know so that I can deal with them.
In response to the unauthorized hit on Queen_KBC Sammyboy, who was my Capo of my enforcers division has been stripped of his rank and removed from The_Mafia. He continues to lead his club Mafia_Wiseguys but they are separate from me. I have instructed all wiseguys members to make their choice between who they wish to stay with, him or me. Any wiseguys who choose to stay with Sammyboy do so with my blessing. I harbor no bad feelings towards Sammyboy or any of his loyal supporters. If they want any kind of revenge they are welcome to challenge us to an event where we can go toe to toe man to man. No more of this chickensh*t summon and blast the snot out of someone while their screen is still black.
The_Mafia no longer does hits period. We do have two new paintball clubs who will be seeking out rival clubs to issue challenges to. We will meet those rivals inside of fun zones and go head to head to see who the bigger dogs are. We're still badasses just not griefers. This way we are guaranteed to get mutual combat and noone can cry and pee themselves because they were shot with a paintball in a virtual environment.
Is that fair everyone? Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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Daemona
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Feb. 2003
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| Quote (Daemona @ June 19 2003, 3:03 pm) | | From here on out you will have to worry about any "hits" from my side of the pond. |
Ok it's too late to edit but this should say that you will NOT have to worry about hits from my organization. Sin like you mean it!
"I love the life but I never sold my soul" {Kid Rock}
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Static84
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July 2003
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Why are people still voting on this? The thread clearly states that Mafia hits do not exist and have not for months now. 
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